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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

1165.0. "Help needed with throttle control unit" by WRKSYS::JMORGAN () Wed Apr 20 1994 17:10

    While getting the boat ready for summer this weekend I test ran the
    engine in the process of doing this I like to engage the prop in
    forward and reverse to make sure all is well.  Well all is not well
    after I put it in forward I now cannot move it back into nuetral, it
    stops just short of nuetral.  I can move it forward all the way to full
    throttle but it always stops just short of nuetral.  I tried taking the
    unit apart and was able to get the cover of the bottom of throttle unit
    but I cannot see anything wrong.  I would like to take the whole unit
    of the boat and work on it in the shop but I can't get the damn thing
    off.  All the screws won't budge.  Anyway does anyone have any
    suggestion or have had a similar problem?  The throttle unit is a
    evinrude power (something) and its a 1977 model.  I can't even find my
    book I had on the unit to disassemble it.  Any help would be
    appreciated.
    
    John
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1165.1Disconnect from engineGUCCI::HERBNew Personal Name coming soon!Thu Apr 21 1994 08:462
    Try disconnecting the engine end of the cable to make sure the problem
    is in the control box, not in the engine linkage.
1165.2Trouble shooting throttleISLNDS::WALSHThu Apr 28 1994 13:5418
    Hi John,
    
    I've had similar problems with an I/O throttle control.  Is the
    throttle cable adjustable at the linkage end?  Maybe the cable needs
    a minor adjustment.  Do you have 2 cables, one for the carb and the 
    other for the lower unit?   If you do, you could try disconnecting
    the throttle cable from the carb and see if you can shift and engage
    the lower unit in fwd and reverse to determine it that cable and
    system are working.   Maybe the lower unit is not working, the cables
    need adjusting, or the shifter linkage/roler bearing inside the
    shifter, (that won't come apart,  now I know that I'm not alone!),
    slipped.  Maybe the carb linkage is binding, or maybe the cable is
    corroded and you might free it with liquid wrench.    If you need
    parts, Green Pond Marina in Conn. has parts for older boats and they
    are very knowledgeable too, (201) 697-7459.   Hope it is a quick fix
    and your out enjoying the water soon!   Rgds, Henry
    
    
1165.3TC-III NEED NO ADDITIVE FOR CARBON BUILD-UP.DNEAST::SLADE_DICKFri Apr 29 1994 08:518
    TC III IS NOW RECOMMENDED FOR ALL MOTORS OVER 25 HP.  IT HAS AN
    ADDITIVE TO PREVENT CARBON BUILD UP.  TC-II DOES NOT HAVE THIS ADDITIVE
    AND IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT YOU BY THE ADDITIVE AND USE REGULARLY.
    
    THIS INFO CAME FROM DOVER MARINE IN N.H. WHERE I RECENTLY BOUGHT A NEW
    30 H.P. EVINRUDE.
    
    HOPE THIS HELPS.  RGDS  DICK
1165.4WRKSYS::JMORGANFri Apr 29 1994 13:0611
    The system does have two cables, one for the carbs and one for the
    lower unit.  The cable going to the carbs works fine but I cannot get
    the lower unit cable to go back to nuetral ie: its stuck in forward. 
    The problem happened when the motor was off.  Does the motor have to be
    running in order to get it back into nuetral?  The only other thing it
    could be is something slipped out of alignement in the throttle control
    unit but after looking at the book there doesn't seem to be much in the
    throttle unit that could slip out of place.  I am going to fire up the
    motor and see if it will go back into nuetral with the motor running.
    
    John
1165.5Lower unit shifterISLNDS::WALSHFri Apr 29 1994 17:5211
    Hi John,
    
    My lower unit shifter has an external piston with brake fluid.  The 
    piston linkage is adjustable to work with the cable.  Also, the lower unit
    on my I/O works on hydrolic pressure/fluid to shift.  Once the pressure
    is built up in the line the unit shifts even with the engine not
    running.   JUST IN CASE if you do run your engine make sure you use a
    water cooling boot with your garden hose.  I ruined my water pump once 
    by running my engine for a few seconds without water in the lower
    unit!!!    The rubber impeller disentegrates fast!!!!   Good luck 
    troubleshooting!!!   Regards, Henry   
1165.6Two cables involved to the shifterRENEWL::URBANMon May 02 1994 11:1025
If your shifter is like mine, there is a cable that runs from the handle to
the shifting plate/cam mechanism and then another that goes from this
spot down and out of the boat to the I/O unit.  That second cable is 
'more' likely to be the problem since it sits in water, rusts etc.

Disconnect the cable from the throttle off of the plate assembly.  You
should be able to (a) work the throttle handle and see if you get smooth
(and enough) travel on that section.  Then try to work the section that
connects the plate to the I/0 for travel and smooth operation.  IF it  is
a corroded cable you sill discover it quickly.  Just be careful to mark the
locations of the adjusters so that you can put if back together and maintain
the neutral cutoff switch and reverse/tilted lockout in proper alignment.
 
If both of these are free and have enough travel, remove the outdrive and
manually check the shifting on the I/O unit itself.  WHile youre at it, you 
can grease the Universals, check the bellows, eyeball the gimble bearing
and regasket/retorque the I/O. Fun stuff and good PM anyway.

Good luck

Tom

(ps)  If it is the cable that goes from the shift plate to the I/O forget
     trying wd-40 or otherwise 'unsticking' it.  I went that route and
     ended up having to replace it anyway!
1165.7Throttle is fixedWRKSYS::JMORGANMon May 02 1994 13:3826
    I was able to get the throttle unit off this weekend and after that it
    only took about 30 minutes to fix the problem (helps when you can see
    whats going on).  The problem was simply old grease and crap that has
    been building up over the years.  The system has two cables, one for
    the throttle and one to shift forward/reverse.  The throttle cable runs
    on a separate cam from the shift cable because it can operate
    independently of the main throttle/shift control via the warm-up lever. 
    Both cam are connected to each other via a pin throttle cam that runs
    in a slot on the shift cam, this is where the problem occurs.  The
    grease in the slot when it gets old turns into a black paste and the
    pin gets stuck at the very top to the travel (the flat spot of a
    circle) just before hitting nuetral.  I guess it could occur coming out
    of reverse into nuetral as well but being that this we don't use
    reverse nearly as much the grease doesn't tend to wear as bad.  Anyway
    after cleaning, repacking with grease ( and I put grease on anything
    that moves including all the screws) is all back together working like
    new.  Its amazing what a little cleaning and fresh grease will do.  
    
    The problem with the getting the unit off the boat was because the
    installation was performed incorrectly.  Some cheap bolts were used
    instead of aluminum or SS and corrected to the alumunum case.  I will
    need to drill the out and replace with SS. 
    
    Thanks for the help.
    
    jm