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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

1123.0. "Engine tuner for OMC "coking" problem" by SKIBUM::GASSMAN () Thu Oct 28 1993 12:38

    I'm writing for a friend who has a 1988 OMV V6 150 HP outboard.  He was
    told by a dealer that that engine has a "coking" problem, which causes
    the rings to stick to the pistons, causing blowby.  Several engines
    have come in what that problem, and the repair bill is in the $1100
    range.  The recommended preventitive procedure is using a product
    called "engine tuner", which is a light acid.  The shop says to spray
    it into a running engine, let it sit overnight, then burn it out.
    
    Has anyone heard of this - does it make sense, etc...?
    
    thanks..
    
    bill
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1123.1It carbon build up and well knownHDECAD::DREWThu Oct 28 1993 13:0524
    The problem is a carbon build up on the cylinder wall and the pistons.
    The rings stick and score the walls causing blow-by. The carbon also
    acts as an insulator proventing proper cooling thereby causing
    overheating which makes the problem worst. 
    
    The PM, which I do on my 1987 110HP Johnson, is to spray the engine
    tuner into engine while its running at a fast idle (1100 RPM's) until
    the can is empty. Wait for a hour or what ever the can says and then
    take it out for a hard run for 15- 20 minutes. I've been told NOT to
    let the engine set too long without burning out the engine tuner. I do
    this every 50 hours of running time. I also use an additive to the gas
    called "Carbon Guard" and use the highest octane gas I can get. The
    Marina where I keep my boat did have Unleaded Plus and switched to
    Unleaded Super half way through the season. 
    
    Johnson's new line of outboard motor oil has an additive in it to help
    prevent the carbon build up. This came out this year. I'll probably
    continue to use the engine tuner every 50 hrs along with the high
    octane gas but will stop using the carbon guard. I'll keep some onboard
    just in case I can't get the high octane gas.
    
    "A little P.M. every 50hrs keeps the Coast Gaurd away"
    
    Jim  
1123.2howsa 'bout inboards?GLDOA::DBOSAKThe Street PeddlerThu Oct 28 1993 13:129
    So, does this stuff work with inboards?  -- I'm running twin 454s and
    am wondering if I should put this stuff in the carb during spring
    commisioning?  
    
    Thanks,
    
    
    
    Dennis
1123.3Maybe?KAHALA::SUTERNever too Hot!Thu Oct 28 1993 13:175
    
    	As I undertand it the coking problem only exists in 2 stoke
    motors... can anyone confirm or deny?
    
    Rick
1123.4its trueMR3MI1::BORZUMATOThu Oct 28 1993 14:038
    There is also another product called "ring free" except it is mixed
    
    with the fuel when running.  guess this coking is a real problem.
    
    
    got this from a yamaha dealer.
    
    	m
1123.5yupMR3MI1::BORZUMATOThu Oct 28 1993 14:187
    
    your right on only the 2 strokes, but i dont' know why.
    
    
    look back in the notes archive, you'll find a long discussion
    
    on this///// 	m
1123.6cleaning it upSWAM2::OCONNELL_RAwandering the westThu Oct 28 1993 17:244
    The problem is due to the oil mix. The older 2 strokes,(pre injection),
    are worse. I have a 71 Johnson 125 and by using the tuner I was able to
    cleanup the combustion chamber but not free the rings. Years of neglect
    by unsuspecting previous owner. 
1123.7syntheticSNMFS::BOWMANThu Oct 28 1993 23:3417
    
    id try running a synthetic oil for a while 
    mercury make a synthetic 2 stroke racing oil also belray castrol and
    shell.
    i know from experience and talking to others who also run these oils 
    it lowers carbon deposits dramaticaly and also provides much greater
    protection for general running.the flash point is also lower so it
    burns off better.
    
    the drawback of these oils is that they are expensive in comparison to
    the normal oils.
    
    over here im up for $15 per litre of belray but im sure its much
    cheaper over there.
    
    tks the other reg