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Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
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1077.0. "HELP ! Stuck with a 6HP Johnson outboard in pieces!" by BONNET::STRATMAN (Peter Stratman @VBO) Sun Jul 18 1993 15:36

    Hi,

    I recently decided to recondition my 6HP Johnson outboard, an appr.
    1989 model (there's a similar 9.9HP model) which needed a water pump
    change and some repainting.

    So I started to unscrew/unbolt everything I thought necessary to
    drop the lower unit, (having looked through the conference it didn't
    seem to be a big problem), but nothing doing, it didn't come loose.

    Either the main shaft or the gear shaft is still keeping the whole
    thing together. The little gear at the top of the the gear shaft (for
    the gear lever) seems to slide freely on the shaft so that doesn't SEEM
    to be the problem, although access is difficult, and I can't actually
    get it off from the shaft.

    At a loss, I finally even unbolted the engine itself... Guess what, it
    won't separate from the lower unit either, and of course, it didn't get
    me any further concerning the lower unit.

    So I'm stuck with an engine I can't really dismantle, and can't even
    rebuild it either since I now have to change the engine's lower gasket.

    Can anyone give me some advice on this ? Getting the OMC workshop
    manual here in France is difficult and pretty expensive. A photocopy
    of the appropriate pages from the manual would be very welcome !
    FWIW, it's a Johnson J6BALCRM, SN B004150.

    Many thanks,
    Peter.

    P.S. I completely rebuilt a '76 6hp Evinrude a few years ago, and
    although it was very corroded, it came apart as soon as the bolts were
    off... So this problem really puzzles me. It's true that although the
    engine was very similar the lower unit was different... 
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1077.1Call Rick..MKOTS3::RONEYMon Jul 19 1993 10:535
    
    Sounds like it's time to call Rick Wilson.....
    
    
    Bob
1077.2doesn's just slide offROBOAT::HEBERTCaptain BlighMon Jul 19 1993 10:5927
I'm not familiar with your particular engine. I have pulled lower units
off OMC engines, though.

There is a shift shaft that runs from the power head down to the gearcase
in the lower unit which must be disconnected. On some engines you must
disconnect a bolt at the top end of this shift shaft (from the shifter
mechanism). On other engines there's an observation plate screwed onto
the side of the leg of the engine. You must remove that observation
plate, and upon peering inside you will see the shift shaft passing by,
and a connecting plate with two screws clamping the top half of the shift
shaft and the bottom half of the shift shaft.

Once everything is disconnected, the lower unit still doesn't just slide
off; some degree of force is required, because there are oil seals and
water seals. These involve the main drive shaft (between the crankshaft
that the gearcase), the water pump which sits on top of the gearcase, and
maybe even an exhaust conduit.

Not knowing your level of experience, I'll advise you that when you
finally pull the lower unit you might have this cast thing, roughly from
the cavitation plate down to the skeg, that has some very long stainless
steel parts sticking up that are 20" or so long. I'm telling you this
because many people expect to be holding just the lower unit in their
hands. The main drive shaft comes away with the lower unit, and so does
the shift shaft. 

Art 
1077.3Ayuh! Time to call Dr. OMC in Milford, NHGLITTR::JOHNHCMon Jul 19 1993 11:011
    .1 has it right!
1077.4drive shaft not clampedROBOAT::HEBERTCaptain BlighMon Jul 19 1993 11:027
By the way, once you disconnect the shift shaft, there's nothing else
holding it together. The drive shaft has a spline at the top which
matches up with the crankshaft, and that could be a tight fit. It's not
bolted or clamped, though, just a matchup between a splined shaft and
socket (maybe an O-ring to slide through).

Art
1077.5Stuck SplineSALEM::GILMANMon Jul 19 1993 12:2911
    My bet is that the spline which inserts into a mating female socket at
    the bottom of the crankshaft maybe corroded.  This would explain your
    problem. Are you SURE you have the shift linkage disconnected?  The
    water pump pipe plugs into a rubber socket and probably isn't the 
    problem.  My bet is its a corroded spline.  How do you get it 
    apart if its corroded?  I would take it to a pro because beating
    on the lower unit will pound hell out of the engine bearings.
    
    Rick isn't always around.  I needed him too but couldn't raise him.
    
    Jeff
1077.6Thanks so far...BONNET::STRATMANPeter Stratman @VBOTue Jul 20 1993 14:4658
   Thanks for the advice I got so far...

   I haven't called Rick, because I don't exactly live next door (this is from
   Valbonne, France), and well, I don't feel too good about calling him, since
   the chances I'll ever get him some real business are pretty slim, aren't
   they ? 

>   problem. Are you SURE you have the shift linkage disconnected?  The
>   water pump pipe plugs into a rubber socket and probably isn't the 
>   problem.  My bet is its a corroded spline.  How do you get it 

    Well, the shift lever is off, and the vertical gear which slips onto that
    is off. The horizontal gear which is on the gear shift shaft does
    move up and down slightly on the shaft, but I can't actually get it
    off because I can get no grip on it. This is what it looks like (in my
    best line-art) :

       ||                                                                         
       ||        Vertical   Horizontal
  Lever||        Gear   |   Gear             
       || ____________  v   |    ____________
       || |          | [-   |   |           |
       ||-|----------|-[-   v   |           |
       ||-|----------|-[-|||||| |           |
          |  Lever   | [-______ |           |
          |  shaft   ------||----           |
          \                ||<- Gear shift shaft   
           \______         ||      _______/
                  |        ::      |
   
   It doesn't look like anything except the vertical gear is used to keep the
   little horizontal gear stuck on the shaft, and it DOES move on the shaft.
   There is no bolt in sight, and no observation plate on the side on this
   model.

   I have seen the water pump pipe and the rubber socket. A good pull
   should get that pipe out.

   Remains the spline... The fact the the engine itself won't come off from
   the top either seems to prove that it must be stuck to the main shaft...
   What does the linkage like ? I can't remember from the last engine
   I took apart. THAT engine was REALLY corroded EVERYWHERE but not
   the main drive shaft. The power head came off really easily...
   
>   .. I would take it to a pro because beating on the lower unit will pound
>   hell out of the engine bearings.

   Yeah, I've been pounding on the the thing way too much already for
   comfort... I have to admit though that I'd really feel stupid taking a
   fully unbolted engine to a repair shop though !! :^}

   Thanks for your ideas, keep them coming if you have any others...
   
   Peter.

   (Hoping I'll get this fixed before winter comes...:^[ this is my MAIN and
   ONLY engine!!!)
1077.7Cut itSALEM::GILMANTue Jul 20 1993 15:5013
    Hows' it going Peter?  I know what you mean about taking a disassembled
    engine to a repair shop.  Embarrassing.  This is an extreme idea but it
    will work:
    
    CUT the drive shaft.... with an oxyacetylene torch if necessary.  THEN
    you will be able to pull the cut shaft and engine off the lower unit.
    You will be able to get AT the stuck shaft/spline and work on it.
    The way it is now you have no access.
    
    Yes, you will have to replace the driveshaft.  Compared to a useless
    engine you can't get apart I don't see an alternative, do you?
    
    Jeff