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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

996.0. "smelling oil, and overheating problem..." by SARAH::WHITE () Tue Jun 16 1992 12:54


    	I just recently bought an 87 FourWinns Liberator.  It has a V8 454
    Chevy engine (I/O).  I've been running it in Long Island Sound for 2
    months now, and it pretty much runs fine, except for one problem.  Even
    a very low speeds (5-10 mph just on my way out of the channel) I can
    smell oil burning.  I check the oil before I go out every day, and the
    temp gauge never runs high.  I've pulled skiers just about every time
    out, and never had it overheat, but my brother claims it's overheated
    on him twice.  Basically the alarm went off, so he shut the engine down. 
    After about 10 minutes it started up fine, and didn't run hot.  
    
    	Anyone know what may be causing this??  Is it normal to have a
    slight oil smell in boat engines (this is my first boat).  I've been
    told that it may be my impeller (sp?) to the cooling system.
    
    	I plan on running the boat in salt water 1/2 the season, and then
    moving it to fresh water.  Is there anything that can be done to help
    prevent the salt water problems??  The engine only has 115 hours on it,
    and I don't believe it's fresh water cooled.  I just talked to a
    FourWinns dealer, and he didn't recommend adding a fresh water cooling
    system, since the boat is an 87 and has been in salt water its whole
    life (I didn't tell him the hours on the engine).
    
    	The the engine and power train are still under warranty from the
    dealer I bought it from.  I plan on having them go over it for me this
    week before the 60day warranty runs out, but I don't trust them a bit. 
    How can I be sure they actually diagnose the problem, and then fix it? 
    I wouldn't doubt it if they just masked the problem, so I don't actually
    discover it until after my warranty is up.  I guess I could take it to
    another dealer, and have them check it out for me...
    
    Thanks a bunch
    
    Ray

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996.2Check for water flowSUBSYS::CHESTERTue Jun 16 1992 14:0523
    
    
    Anouther simple cause is picking up a plastic bag around the IO leg.
    The raw water inlet in on the sides of the IO.  Quick test for this Is 
    Overheat
    Stop. Back down for 4 or 5 seconds.  
    If the alarm stops great. 
    If not shut it down.  
    
    
    The oil smell may come from leaking valve covers.  The exaust crossover
    will get hot enough to burn oil.  Or the leak could be on the outside 
    of the valve covers.  the the exaust ports on the exaust manifold will
    be hot enought to burn oil.  One or two drops an hour will make a
    smell.   I know one of my cars drips oil onto the exaust pipe.
    
    
    If you suspect inter engine problems.  Run a compression check.  Easest
    way to test rings and valves.
    
    Ken C
    
    
996.3Check your valve coversSALEM::NORCROSS_WWed Jun 17 1992 08:207
    I vote for the leaking valve covers.  Try to tighten them down a
    little.  Don't go too tight because you want to keep the cover gasket
    from getting crushed.  It's the one place on the motor where oli can
    come from directly above a very hot surface.  A very small amount of
    oil (almost to little to notice) can make a heck of a smell when burned
    on the exhaust manifold in an enclosed space.
    Wayne
996.4Out drive???GRANMA::WFIGANIAKYEAH..GET THE RED ONEWed Jun 17 1992 12:2411
    I have to agree with all that has been said so far. There are a ton of
    place that you can get minor oil leaks from. But don't forget to get
    the impeller in the out drive checked out. In fact for an 87 I have it
    replaced for peice of mind. I'm assuming here your Liberator is Merc
    equiped. The out drive water impeller is rubber fined and can easily
    chewed/worn from dirt and sand in the water it pumps. My boat is an 86
    and I replaced it in 88 and again the beginning of this season. Wear
    was evident but I didn't want to overheated and down in the middle of
    the Chesapeak.
    My two cents.:^) Good luck
    Walt
996.5WEFXEM::HOWELLMon Jun 22 1992 08:149
    I had the mercrusuer 170 the big 4 thats supposed be an offspring of
    that 454 and after 2 years of no. 40 weight oil as rec. by merc.
    they told me that I should switch to 30 weight so i did and i started
    smelling oil as you do. When investigated i found the 30 weight was
    getting by the valve cover gaskets and running down the hot block this
    was a very small and hard leak to find but it was enough to cause the
    smell.I found it by taking a white rag and giving the engine a wipe
    down.With that black block it is very hard to see it.The solution was i
    went back to 40 weigth and the problem diappeared.
996.6Have you looked at the Heat Exchangers??EPTVAX::TURBAYNEMon Jun 29 1992 14:4010
    I had an overheat problem this weekend with my 454.....Turned out to be
    a plugged heat exchanger on the right engine manifold. If the boat has
    lived in salt water for a couple of seasons or more, the heat
    exchangers should be pulled/cleaned. If "crap" builds up inside, then
    you do not get water flow mixed with the exhaust and burn up exhaust
    rubber diaphrams and cause an over heat. Heat exchanger is easy to pull
    off the exhaust manifold on a Mercruiser.....4 bolts....
    
    my $.02 worth
    steve       
996.7RTL::LINDQUISTMon Jun 29 1992 20:3711
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��    I had an overheat problem this weekend with my 454.....Turned out to be
��    a plugged heat exchanger on the right engine manifold. If the boat has

    Are you thinking of 'exhaust elbow'?  A heat exchanger
    typically lives between the raw water and the 'fresh' water
    in a fresh water cooled engine.

    	- Lee