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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

979.0. "Bad Gas" by SALEM::GILMAN () Mon May 11 1992 13:03

    I stored a full tank of gas/oil mix with stabilizer last fall in a
    plastic 12 gal TEMPO tank.  The air vent was closed.  This Spring I
    added isopropy drygas (just in case) and took the boat out in the
    Portsmouth, N.H. area.  I went nuts for about a week trying to figure
    out why the 25 hp Johnson 'wanted' to stall every time I backed
    off on the throttle from about 1/3.  It ran sort of ok a full
    throttle... a little rough.  When accelerating from 0 Knots to
    full speed the response was hesitant and sluggish.  At close to
    idle the engine spat and popped and stalled frequently.  (Why do
    2 strokes make that pung noise... when idling, is that backfiring?
    
    Anyway, when I swapped over to this years gas end of problem.  
    Instantly the engine was running normally, full of pep, no stalling
    and no 'punging'. 
    
    Upon examination in a glass jar there was no evidence of contamination.
    There was a little guck on the fuel filter screen, but nothing
    alarming.  I could see a few beads of water in the bottom of the
    fuel tank, but nothing the fuel intake could suck up.  Anybody
    have any experience with 'bad gas' like this.  I have stored
    OB gas over the winter for years with no Spring problems before.
    
    A note of info: To clear solidified gas out of a fuel tank... try
    DRANO... (metal tanks).  Rinse the tank out with hot water after
    letting the DRANO sit overnight and the guck is GONE. I have
    cleaned out any number of tanks this way.  It works better if
    you add hot water to the DRANO, (BUT WEAR GOGGLES) DRANO in the
    eyes can blind you!
    
    No, I had not had DRANO in this fuel tank with the bad gas.
    
    Jeff
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979.2me tooAIMHI::BORZUMATOMon May 11 1992 14:3116
    
    It happend to me last fall. I use the same fuel for a lawn
    mower, and a snow blower. I add "stabilizer" when i buy
    it. 
    
    This past fall, i thought i'd check the blower out, and went out
    to start it.  &&**(()))))_&(^$&%&%&* thing won't start.
    
    My only thought was water, but none showed up. My local service
    sta. told me gas loses its octane after sitting for awhile.
    
    New fuel, and it started right up.
    
    Maybe the newer fuels don't store well..
    
    JIm
979.3HYDRA::BURGESSMon May 11 1992 14:340
979.4No problem here, boat is stored outside.HYDRA::BURGESSMon May 11 1992 14:388
	I didn't use any stabilizer (again) this winter, I never do.

	The boat had about 3/4 of a tank of ~92 octane fuel in it, 
BTW this is a 4 stroke.   Brand was probably Sunoco, FWIW, etc.

	Reg

979.5 GasSALEM::GILMANMon May 11 1992 16:4816
    I never used stabilizer before in the winter and never had the problem
    before either.  The lawn mower wouldn't run on this gas at all and its
    not picky.  Fresh gas in the mower and it started right up.  So the
    'pung' noise is ping, and all these years I thought it was a normal
    part of 2 stroke idle operation.  On the new gas it doesn't pung much
    (if at all) it usually stall in conjuncton with the pung. I guess thats
    the piston being kicked back the other way stalling it?  Not good for
    the engine at all.  I store the fuel in a covered building at outdoor
    temps which is good because at lower temps it will keep better.  Next
    year I will drain the fuel (or use it all up in the Fall) rather
    than try and store it over the winter.
    
    Thanks for the advice.  No Rick, I am not talking about the type of
    gas Rolaids can cure.
    
    Jeff
979.6Ecological wayMQOSWS::M_CHEVRIERMichel A. Chevrier 632-3707 Montr�alTue May 12 1992 10:073
How do ecologically get rid of bad/old gas?

Michel.
979.7simpleAIMHI::BORZUMATOTue May 12 1992 10:193
    Pour it in one of your vehicles.  
    
    JIm.
979.9Chamois cloth should filter bad gasSALEM::NORCROSS_WTue May 12 1992 11:568
    I just drained about 10 gallons of two year old gas from my boat and
    mixed it with about 10 gallons of gas in my truck.  I didn't even
    notice a difference. 
    For bad/dirty gas that you don't want to put directly into another
    vehicle, I believe that a chamois cloth will effectively filter out the
    imperities and water to the point that it could be put into your
    vehicle.
    Wayne
979.10JMHO!!!!FSOA::SLIEKERTue May 26 1992 17:3315
    Gasoline is a very complex substance with many components, a number
    of them loosely classified as aromatic solvents. The solvents are 
    volatile solvents charged with maintaining the vapour pressure and
    general vapourization characteristics of the fuel. Since liquids
    (gasoline included) do not burn, the performance of gasoline as a 
    fuel is directly related to its ability to vapourize properly. The
    solvents by their very property of volatility do not store well.
    With time they either evaporate or otherwise decompose and by
    effectively decreasing the vapour pressure of the fuel increase
    its octane rating and decrease the heat energy per mass recoverable.
    The octane rating of a fuel btw is a measure of a contaminants 
    effect on a fuels ability to burn after vapourization. The higher
    the octane number the longer it takes a fuel to burn. In general
    terms this is why last years gas doesn't work so well.... 
            
979.11Low Octane "Cheap Grade Gas"FSOA::LINNEHANMon Jun 08 1992 14:559
    If you get your gas at marina that are at the ocean, many of them are
    questionable about using adequate octane gasolines. I am on the ocean
    100% of the time and can tell the differance between the gas I buy at
    each marina, as soon as I pull away from the docks.
    
    Cape Ann Marina is definately not a good place to buy gas.
    
    FML