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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

873.0. "Problem with 10hp Johnson outboard" by TRACTR::KOLADISH () Fri Jul 12 1991 13:09

    I have a friend who owns a 10 hp Johnson 1970-75.
    
    This engine has been tuned up a looked at by a shop.
    The problem is this after it runs for 1/2 to 45min
    at full thottle it quits. I won't start up again
    for sometime maybe two to three hours later.
    Gas line and tank have been changed from one that
    work all the time.
    
    Any ideas on what is wrong? 
    
    Is there a overheat cut off swicth on these motors ?
    
    Thanks 
    John 
    
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873.1ElectricalDONVAN::DECAROLISSlalom Fever!Fri Jul 12 1991 13:325
    Those symptoms are the same I had with my last
    boat.  Turned out to be the stater assembly.
    
    Jeanne
    
873.2Check for spark and gasVICKI::DODIERFood for thought makes me hungryFri Jul 12 1991 13:3311
    	The only ideas that come to mind are check for the basics. After it
    happens pull the plug and check for spark. If your getting spark then
    it's not any kind of overtemp causing the problem. If you're not it
    could be the coil/coils or possibly some type of overtemp switch.
    
    	Next check to see if the enging is getting any gas. Possiblly a vacuum 
    is developing in the gas tank whish isn't allowing the motor to get any 
    gas. Unscrew the gas cap and see if it sucks air after it happens.
    
    	RAY
    	
873.3check the water pumpVSSCAD::BOURGEOISMon Jul 15 1991 07:105
      You don't say if it overheating or not.
      If it is overheating it might be the water pump.
      When the motor dies can you turn the flywheel?
      I would be incline to check the water pump.
    
873.4"Runaway Valve?"SPCTRM::BRENNANMon Jul 15 1991 17:2237
    John,
    
    I agree with Ray that you should first check for spark once the
    engine has quit. However I don't think the ignition system (coils,
    points, condensors) is the culprit because the engine runs fine
    for a decent amount of time (1/2 to 45 minutes.)
    
    If you are getting NO SPARK after it dies it may be the "runaway
    valve". The idea behind the runaway valve is that if your engine
    loses its prop or load the valve will shut down the engine by removing
    spark to the plugs - this would prevent the engine from going into
    super high RPM's and destroying everything before you could manually
    shut her down.             
    
    This valve is wired into the "kill switch" or ignition switch and
    would work just like you turned the motor off.  
    
    The runaway valve is a circular metal disk mounted on a plastic base,
    attached somehwere on the engine. In the center of the disk are
    two black wires, on the outer edge of the disk are two white wires.
    If you remove all the wires off the valve, prevent them from touching
    or grounding, the engine will run under normal working conditions.
    
    If you do this after she dies, and she starts back up, it's your
    runaway valve. I can't imagine it's an expensive part to replace.
    An "old salt" from the Plymouth area once told me that these things were
    notorious for shutting down Evinrudes.
    
    I've done a lot of work to 60's Evinrudes (same as Johnson) and
    feel strongly that this may be the problem, running the engine wide
    open for 1/2 hour to 45 minutes leads me in this direction.
    
    My explanation may not be 100% correct but the general idea is there.
    Thats my best GUESS. Call or write if more info would be helpful. 
    
    Tom                                               
    
873.5internal fuel line problemGLITTR::JOHNHCTue Jul 27 1993 11:2125
    I've got an early 1970's Johnson 9.9 hp Seahorse (longshaft) on the
    back of my sailboat. It was recently refurbished by a marina down in
    Alabama. It worked beautifully the first couple times it was needed.
    
    Now it won't start. It doesn't matter whether I use the electric
    ignition or the cord. It turns over, but it just doesn't fire. I
    discovered much to my dismay that when I pumped the fuel line bulb, gas
    came out of the back of the engine cover. I was exxoning the cove!
    (OUCH!!!)
    
    So, the motor has been sitting on the back unused for the last two
    weeks. I have to wait for one of those rare windy moments in the cove
    before I can get the boat out onto open water.
    
    It seems to me that the fuel line is clogged inside the engine. No fuel
    is reaching the internals, which explains the rather painful sound the
    motor made when it turned over.
    
    Can anybody suggest a way to clean/clear a fuel line in one of these
    beasts? It seems to me it ought to be a fairly simple operation. Maybe
    there's a reply somewhere in this conference that covers this problem?
    
    Thanks.
    
    John H-C
873.6WhereSALEM::GILMANTue Jul 27 1993 12:555
    John, where was the gas escaping from under the cover?
    This sounds like an easy fix to me.  If I could see the engine I could
    help you with it.
    
    Jeff
873.7You gotta look and see where the fuel is leakingSOLVIT::CHACEMy favorite season is getting nearer!Tue Jul 27 1993 13:367
    
      Itr sounds to me like you have a ruptured fuel line or maybe it has
    even fallen right off! It should be easy to trace. The first thing to
    do is look at it when you squeeze the bulb and see where it is leaking
    fuel from. Then take it from there.
    
    					Kenny
873.8Guess I'll have to wait and see.GLITTR::JOHNHCTue Jul 27 1993 14:0016
    The fuel leaks out of the bottom rear of the engine cover. I thought
    about squeezing the bulb and watching it leak, but my scruples were
    already suffering remorse overload from the discovery that I was
    exxoning the cove. There is a slight logistical problem, too, in that
    the fuel tank is inside the cockpit under a bench seat, and you can't
    see the outboard unless you lean out over the transom. My arms just
    aren't long enough to accomplish that little feat.
    
    I guess what I'll do is pull the motor and the fuel tank out as soon as
    the lake gets some rain and the water level rises another 10 inches.
    (It's too shallow at the end of the dock to support the boat right
    now.)
    
    Thanks for the feedback.
    
    John H-C
873.9FuelSALEM::GILMANTue Jul 27 1993 15:424
    Without knowing where the fuel is coming from (EXACTLY what is leaking)
    suggests are difficult.  
    
    Jeff
873.10Bad O ring can spoil you whole day (lake)ASDS::BURGESSWaiting for ZEUS to comeWed Jul 28 1993 17:5310
	I'd check the quick connect/disconnect hose  "AT THE MOTOR END"

	Make sure the fittings are clean and, to quote NASA engineers,

		"are those O rings gonna hold up OK ?"


	Reg