Conference vicki::boats

    
    
    I just picked up a 1952 Elgin 6hp twin, in excellent original
    condition.  The only obvious parts that it needs right now are
    a carb kit for the Tillotson carb, and new ignition coils. The
    original coils were made by Wico, I don't know if they are still
    in business.
    
    Does anyone know of parts sources for either of these items, or
    for Elgins in general?
    
    Thanks,
    Rick

    
    
    Some of the Elgins were made by scott-McCullough- so you might try
    Electra- Marine- they are down in Long Island and their phone # is
    located somewhere in here.
    
    Some of the WICO coils may be available after market- lots of the auto
    supply houses carry aa line of after market mageneto couos they can
    special order- get the no off your coil and try calling around- at one
    time I used to get the OMC coil through my local auto parts store-
    about 40% less than my local freindly dealer.
    
    

    About a month ago in the "Want Advertiser" there was a guy in Salem,
    NH, who was selling a bunch of 1950 outboards.  My boss has a 1959
    Gale outboard on his boat and he was looking for some advice about it.
    I talked to the guy's wife to find out if he had other parts besides
    complete motors.  I can try to find his number and post it if you
    wish.  I work in Salem (NIO) and could go see the guy if there is
    something in particular you need.  You might want to check a copy of
    the Want Advertiser if you have a copy.  he may still have ads running.
    He had about 10 different entries in a row.  I believe they were in
    the "Boat Misc" or "Boat Accessories" section of the book.
    Wayne

RE:  .2
I thought of calling an auto parts place too.  Yesterday I tried B&D
Auto Electric, which is listed in the Nynex Boater's Directory.  They
called Wico, and the coils *are* available, at get this, $64.37 each!
And I need two of them.  I think I'll try my local NAPA store.

Elgin and Scott Atwater were two different manufacturers as far as I 
know.  This particular model that I have was built by Elgin and sold
by Sears.  Unlike today's Sears motors, the Elgin markings are much
more prominent than the Sears markings.  It only says Sears on the 
starter pulley and serial number tag, and there are large Elgin decals 
on the gas tank.  A friend suggested I try calling Sears for the parts 
I need and just give them the serial and model numbers, not the year 
(1952).   It's certainly worth a try - I've heard of them stocking some
pretty obscure stuff.


RE:  .3
Yeah, I saw that guy in the Want Advertiser.  Most of his motors aren't
cheap, and some of 'em are downright outrageous.  Did his wife indicate
that he does sell parts also?  Most of his stuff was OMC anyway.

As far as your boss'es Gale outboard, I'll send you some info offline on
contacting a guy in NH who has at least one Gale in his collection of over
150 *mint * antique outboards.  He knows the history of almost every motor
ever made.

Thanks!  

Rick

    Rick, the lady said her husband has a bunch of extra parts besides
    complete motors.  She said that it was best to call around lunch
    time.  I found the number: 603-893-6564.  It's worth a try.
    Good luck!
    Wayne

    
    The gale and bucanner outboards are knock-offs of the OMC's-in fact OMC
    sold the dies/molds,drawings of their older line to the GALE/Bucanner
    folks. LOTS of parts are intechangeable between the Gales/Bucaneers
    and Johnson/evirudes. I had a couple of old gales I used to keep my old
    35 and 40 hp OMC motors going- the older 28,33, and 35 HP OMC motors
    are pretty much the same as the G/B. parts I have interchanged:
    
    Ignition assemblies (all the parts-coils, points, etc.)
    Carbs
    Fuel pumps
    Water pumps
    Lower units
    lower unit internals
    pull starters
    
    I enven interchanged the ousings- had a Gale block and lower unit
    mounted inside a Johnson 35 HP Upper housing/leg assembly
    
    OMC pulled a boo-boo when they put a competitior with esentiallly
    anidentical product in competiton with them and because of the lower
    investment had a much more attractive pricing structure.
    
     Dick
    

    Dick, that's good info.  I'll pass it on to my boss.  It sounds just
    like the way AMC used to by alot of parts (including engines) from GMC
    and Ford.
    Thanks, Wayne

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EXPRES::GILMAN                                        2 lines  12-DEC-1990 11:02
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    Does anybody know of a source for ignition parts (points) for a 1963
    (approx 2.5 HP) British Seagull?

    Hi..
    
    I've got a 195? 35hp Buccaneer.  The shaft has been lengthened to 
    accomodate the transom of a 1959 17' Thompson.  It's in  decent
    shape.  Any ideas on what it's worth?
    
    Thanks
    
    Tom

RE: .9

Tom,
For the most part, antique outboards aren't worth all that much.   
There are exceptions of course such as extremely rare or historically 
important motors, but most of 'em aren't worth more than a few hundred 
to a thousand dollars.  In addition, 1950's motors are considered 
"almost new" by some antiquers, and there's lots of them out there 
that have been in continuous service since new.

The enthusiasts who are into it do it for the interest and as a hobby, 
not for the money.  There are enough motors available and popularity 
is still low enough that prices have stayed very reasonable, in fact 
surprisingly low.  

My best guess is that by itself your motor is probably worth a couple 
or three hundred bucks if it's in good cosmetic and running condition.
It's best value is by keeping it as part of a complete and running 
boat/motor/trailer package, not as an antique.

Rick

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Note 863.0             WESTBEN OR SHARK EVER HEAR OF THEM             No replies
BTOVT::LAWYER_D                                       5 lines  18-JUN-1991 12:35
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    WESTBEN/SHARK NOW OF ANY
    
        WHERE COULD I EVER GET PARTS FOR A 1966
    
    

I know someone who is looking for a prop for a 9.9 hp
Scott Atwater. Anybody know a source?

	Steve

    
    
    for the two previous replies:
    
    Westbend became Chrysler, became Force outboards- any Chrsyler/Force
    dealer should be able to  help on parts
    
    Scott Atwater parts are available from a firm called Electramarine-
    they are mentioned someplace in this conference- or look in the back of
    Popular science and most boating magiazines as they usually have an ad
    in there.
    
    
     Dick
    

                                       
    Here's the phone # and adress for Electra-Marine - they are a source
    for Scott-Atwater, Mcullough, and Eaton outdrive spares.
    
    They also buy  leftover outboards of various makes- currently are offering 
    some '89  Evinrudes well as other makes/ models at big discounts.
    
    ELECTRA MARINE
    610 MERRICK ROAD
    LYNNBROOK, NY 11563
    (516) 599 3003
    
    DICK

re: -1 thanks

    I am looking for a source for a new fuel line (from the tank to the
    motor) for a 1957 Evinrude 18 HP outboard. The original line gave up on
    the last ride of the season this year (motor is on a 12' aluminum boat)
    and I finished the ride holding my finger over the leak! It is a
    double, pressurized line. I would also not mind replacing the fitting
    which connects to the motor on the gas line. I live in the Boston area
    and would like to find the parts over the winter. Mail order is fine,
    too, but I have not seen these parts in any of the catalogs I have.
    Thanks.
    
    Larry

Larry,
The fuel line is available from a couple places.  The easiest local place
would be NAPA auto parts.  Their marine catalog lists it in 50' rolls, I
don't know if they'll sell it to you in shorter lengths since the stores
don't usually stock it.

I bought a 50' roll recently from a mail order place in Tennessee, but I
only have about 8' left and need it for one of my motors.  This weekend 
we have an Antique Outboard Motor Club meet down in Connecticut - usually
one of the club members has the stuff for sale for $1.50/foot. Let me
know if you want me to pick some up for you.

Also, you don't really want to replace the female fuel line fitting if you
can help it.  OMC carries them new, but they're about 40 bucks.  No one
makes them aftermarket, as far as I know.  It's no biggie though, because
OMC also sells new O-rings for them, and that's usually all that goes
wrong.  They're a little tricky to replace, but not difficult once you
get the knack.  With new o-rings and a little paint, you'll think you have 
a new fitting.  I can try to get the OMC part number for you if you want.

I can also get you a complete used pressure tank with fittings in nice 
condition if you want a spare.  Let me know if you're interested.  These 
are available new also, but at about $150 for the tank only.

Rick

    Moved by moderator.  "Golden Jubilee" Evinrudes are 1959 models,
    since Ole Evinrude founded the company in 1909.  Each 1959 Evinrude
    carries a special insignia.  I've got 3 myself, a 3hp and two 18's.
    Documentation on model years, as well as parts are readily available
    for these. If you need more info, or help on getting parts, let me 
    know.  /Rick
    
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DNEAST::FICKETT_DAVE                                 11 lines   3-MAY-1993 12:03
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    I was recently given an old Evinrude 10hp outboard.  I'm trying to
    figure out what year this motor is since the prevoius owner did not
    know either.  The only markings on the motor is the serial # manuf-
    acturer's plate and a Golden Jubilee medallion on the back of the
    cover.
    
    Anyone got ideas on how to date this thing...other than calling
    Evinrude?
    
                                                Dave
    

I had an interesting experience last night.  A friend from the Antique
Outboard Motor Club called me, and asked if I wanted to come over and help
him unpack his new Evinrude 5.5hp outboard.

No big deal, right?  People buy and unpack new motors every day.  Except
for one thing.  This motor is a brand new *1960*, never removed from it's
original shipping container!  Still addressed to the 93 year old (60 at the 
time) man from Portsmouth NH, who had bought it new and had it shipped from 
Lynn Outboards, and never even opened it.  When found, it was stored in his 
kitchen.

It was like a time capsule.  We very carefully unpacked it, being careful
to save the box and not scratch the motor.  It still has all the original
inspection tags, starting instructions, etc. attached to it.  Those will
be left intact for display purposes.  The original gas tank was also packed
inside, in perfect condition.  It was pretty neat to see a 33 year old, 
literally *brand new* motor coming out into the daylight for the first
time in so many years.

The motor will never be run.  1960 5.5's are a dime a dozen, or maybe a 
couple hundred a piece.  8^)  What makes this motor so valuable and
collectable is that it is literally brand new.  The first time it is run,
or the first scratch or dent it receives, the motor will no longer be "new"
and will lose most of it's "uniqueness".  

I know, any non-motorheads are probably bored to tears right about now,
but I thought it might interest the motorheads in the crowd...

Rick

    I wonder if it would run.   Are there any parts (gaskets, rubber, 
    etc, insulation on wiring) that would deteriorate?
    

    Oh yes, I'm sure it could be made to run very easily.  All of the
    rubber and plastic parts appeared to be in new condition. I've
    got motors that are 40 years old, with original seals and gaskets 
    that are less than perfect, and they run fine.
    
    About the only thing that would really need to be checked, is the
    condition of the water pump.  It could be dried up, and at minimum
    would have taken a pretty good "set" after 33 years in one position.
    
    It never will be checked though, because removing the retaining
    bolts for the lower unit will crack and chip the paint from them,
    affecting it's now "perfect" condition.  Since the motor's not
    going to be run anyway, the condition of the pump doesn't matter.
    
    Rick

    Interesting Rick!  I agree, its value is in its newness.  Will you
    even crank the engine over with the starting cord to help the 'set'
    in the pump vane even out?
    
    Now if I only had a 1960 Chevy which was as untouched and 'new' as
    that outboard!
    
    Jeff

    Rick, why did you guys even unpack it?  Is he going to show it?  I
    probably would have left it in the original package for another 30
    years or more.  "Unpackaged" brand new is worth a whole lot more than
    even 30 year old brand new!  Save the packing material!
    
    This "find" reminds me of the first time I dealt with A + A Marine out
    in Manistee, Michigan, where the original Century Factory was located.
    The guy who owns A + A bought out the Century parts inventory when they 
    first went backrupt back in '68.  I called to see if he knew where I
    could get an original style mooring cover for my '65.  He had one in
    stock that was a perfect fit that had been made back in '67 and sat on
    the shelf ever since.  Not as exciting as having a "brand new" 30 year
    old motor, but pretty neat just the same.
    Wayne

I hope you took some pictures, Rick.  Sounds like a keeper to me.

...Roger...

    We unpacked it, because in the box it could barely be seen. Also,
    the sheer size of the box would make it hard to display. All of
    the packaging was saved so that it can be repackaged very easily.
    As it was, it is going into a two car garage that contains 3 show
    winning wooden boats, and over 50 rare antique outboards.  The size 
    of the box was just too much...
    
    Yes, I took several pictures as it came out of the box.
    
    I suggested unpackaging it at the AOMC National meet in Clayton
    NY this summer, like Geraldo with Al Capone's vault.  But then,
    we were afraid it would turn out to be a crusty old Elgin when
    we took it out of the box as the cameras rolled.   8^)
    
    Rick

          Hi,
    
          I would like to know if I would be able to get parts for a
    1948/49 Evinrude 3hp Sportwin. It had been in dry storage for the 
    last 40 years or so.  My father said he used it for 2 or 3 seasons
    and has not used it since.  It looks almost new and would be a waist
    if we could not get it running again.  It may run fine for all we know
    but I am shure it will need work before we try and start it.. any info
    on what "to do" or "not to do" would help also........ Also I think my
    father said it's a 3.3 hp. Its not marked nor could we find the year it
    was made, we are going by what he could remember about it.. Thanks for 
    any help...
    
                                      George
    

    
    George,
    
    Call Rick Wilson!!
    
    I 've been over to his house to see his collection of antique outboard
    motors. He has a very good assortment of parts for early year
    Evinrudes.
    
    Bob

    You can also call Charlie Whitney near Fitchburg, Mass. (508) 534-8172
    
    He has alot of old outboard parts.... a speciality in fact.  He should
    be a better PARTS source than Rick.
    
    Rick, is not around (up at 'the lake') I guess.
    
    Jeff

    Rick did my neighbor's 1954 Evinrude 9HP (??).  He get's most of his
    parts from Whitney's.  He made this motor look brand new right down to
    new Evinrude decals.  Probably more than you may want but he really
    takes pride in his old motors.  He's also a member of the Antique
    outboard club so he has contacts that the rest of us don't.
    Wayne

    Hold old does a motor have to be to be considered antique?
    
    My 1965 Big Twin Evnirude 40hp is in real nice shape and runs great!
    
    Mark

    I recently purchased an older boat with a 1966 Johnson 80 HP Electric
    Shift motor. Would anyone have for sale or know who would have avail-
    able used Johson motor parts. I need a voltage regulator and possibly
    a starter motor/motor drive(pinion) assembly. The motor starts by 
    rope pull only and when running the ammeter shows a negative charge.
    I shorted out the regulator and the ammeter displayed a full charge
    indicating that the regulator needs replacement (according to the
    manual). The starter motor operated when I purchased the boat but now
    seems not to have the power to start the motor by turning the key.
    All tests were done with a fully charged battery.
    
    Please call DTN 237-2474 or (508) 867-5068 (HOME) or send EMAIL for 
    any information.
    
    Thanks
    
    Steve
    
    P.S. I would purchase a non-running '66 Johnson 80HP motor for parts. 

    I recently sold my older motor at a garage sale in Carp, Ontario.  It
    was a 1939 Evinrude 1.5 hp.  Not a real big motor, but ran like a top. 
    The steering handle still had the original rubber grip on it with the
    Evinrude name.  I had it for sale for quite a while, but I finally let
    it go for $100.00 Cdn., or $71.50 U.S.  I also threw in a 5 hp Sears
    air cooled motor that had the piston chamber broken on both sides. 
    Seeing as I only paid $25.00 CDN. for the Evinrude, I suppose I
    shouldn't complain.  You folks in the United States should think about
    purchasing antique motors up here in Canada where your dollar goes 40%
    further!  Lots of garage sales and auctions where these old motors show
    up, especially the auction sales.  If anybody is interested, my uncle
    is an Ottawa Valley auctioneer, and he could let me know when there
    were any older motors coming up for sale in the future.
    
    Rick
    

    I picked up an anitque outboard over the weekend.  I am trying to get
    more info like hp, age, specs, etc, and fair market value.
    
    It is an old Sears one cylinder, almost 100% aluminum, built in gas
    tank, appears to be air cooled, and appears to work (have not had a
    chance to start it, no oil on hand).  I plan to contact Sears but
    wanted to try to get info in here also.  The model is 571-58301.
    
    I am guessing it is a 1950s model.  Thank You.  Mark

	My mother-in-law has an early Evinrude (late 50's early 60's)
	that was running fine about 5 years ago but hasn't been used 
	since, so she's thinking about selling it.. I believe it's a 7HP...

	Any idea what she should be asking for it ??


					Thanks,

						Mike