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Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
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704.0. "SOLID STATE IGNITION ADDON" by POBOX::SWENSON () Thu Jul 05 1990 01:52

    I have a standard points and coil ignition on my boat.  During extended
    periods of idle the plugs seem to foul.  I've noticed this seems to be
    fairly common amoung my fellow boaters with older, 1978, boats with V8
    engines.  The newer engines have a solid state ignition that solves
    this problem.  I've been looking at two possibles as an addon product. 
    One for MSD the other a Mallory Hyfire unit.  Both would trigger with
    the stock points and work with the engine kill unit OMC used for
    shifting. (The points are shorted through a resistor at the momment of
    shifting so no load on the gears)
    
    Any experience in this area?
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704.1MSD on Merc I/OWTRSKR::cardosDave CardosThu Jul 05 1990 11:3213
When rebuilding a Mercruiser 188 I/O (Ford 302 V8) I added an MSD box and
a higher output MSD coil. It has worked very well. The installation is
simple, but I found that I needed to add an MSD option that adpats the
output for my tach. MSD warns you that the tach may read inaccurately
so I knew to checked it. The MSD setup also allows you to bypass the S/S
ignition by means of a jumper wire. This is convenient for doing tune-ups
and for the case where the box fails.

I used a standard auto box, but I noticed sometime back that MSD also
makes a 'marine' box. I don't know what makes the marine version different.

1 vote for MSD,
Dave
704.2I ain't a disturbiter fan m'self.ULTRA::BURGESSMad man across the waterFri Jul 06 1990 10:3621
re                       <<< Note 704.0 by POBOX::SWENSON >>>
>                        -< SOLID STATE IGNITION ADDON >-

	You will probably have more luck with finding kits for older 
engines than newer ones.   In my nocturnal browsing through the J. C. 
Whit(no, I don't need anything)ney catalogue I found kits for about 
$60.  They seem to have them for almost every major brand of 
distributor, exceptions being the ones with dual points.  Here's the 
catch, you have to quote make, year, model, engine displacement, etc
of the c*r or tr*ck it is for.   A little research with a "used on" 
listing should come up with suitable answers once you know the marque 
and model # of your distributor.   Std disclaimer;  these ain't b**t 
parts, they ain't for use on, in, beside, under or near to b**ts, if 
you get a f*r* on your b**t from using unapproved parts don't sue ME !, etc.
{Though I can't see that there's any more sparking under the cap than
with points} 

	Reg

PS	I was referred to a speed shop when I was asking around about
	this recently. 
704.3Cure the problem, noty the symptoms!BIZNIS::CADMUSMon Jul 09 1990 10:5053
    
     Most marine engines do not use automotive distruibutors- in fact the
    distributors are ususlally supplied by either Mallory or Prestolite
    and these are not original equipment in production autos.
    
     If you are fouling plugs- you may want to try a hotter plug or a
    lean out your idle mixture, depending on the nature of the fouling.
    
     If you have a fuzzy, loose carbon deposit on the plugs- your idle
    mixture is too rich- that is carbon fouling that is occuring. A simple
    readjustment of your idle mixture and an up[grade to a heat range
    hotter plug should eliminate taht problem.
    
     If you have a wet. oily black deposit- that is oil fouling. With
    extended idling, or low speed operation, the high vaccum in the intake
    mainofold will suck oil past the valves and foul the plugs. New valve
    seals will usually cure this problem, although you may want to try a
    hotter plug. This is only compensating for the real problem , however.
    Valve seals in most engines can be replaced without pulling the heads.
    
     The plug selection for most marine engines is selected for sustained
    cruising (read sustined high engine loads). FGor light loads, a hotter
    plug is ussually called for- your owner's manual should indicate the
    correct plug- or any good auto parts soter can suggest the appropriate
    hotter plug.
    
     If you want to go to electronic ignition (you want a higher voltage at
    the plugs, not just electronic ignition)- I would suggest getting the 
    make and model no off your distributor and head for your nearest 
    Auto speed shop- you can probabbly get a conversion from the
    manufacturer.
    
     If your engine is in good shape and properly tuned up, you really
    shoud't be having a problem. I have a CD ignition conversiopn that I
    have had sitting for two years taht I haven't installed, simply beacuse
    my ol' point type system is set up to specs and wirks beautifully. I
    can carry a spare set of points, condensor, coiul ,rotor and cap and
    replace the whole thing or the parts if anything gives out while I'm
    underway. Big $$ to have all the parts  as spares for an electronic
    system.
    
     My suggestion is to find the problem that is causing the fouling- fix
    that.It may be as simple as an idle mixture readjustment. 
    
    The real advantage I see to an electronic ignition in a boat is
    less maintenance. Others may disagree, but that's my opinion. I like
    something I can fix simply if it breaks down while I'm underway.
    
    Dick
     
    
    
     
704.4A HOT COIL LOOKS GOOD!POBOX::SWENSONFri Jul 13 1990 01:0413
    I bought the Mallory Hyfire unit and a new Mallory high output coil
    recommended to be used with the unit.  As I don't like to do everything
    at once to the boat (hard to walk home if it quits) I installed the
    coil first.  I notice an immediate improvement in starting.  It starts
    by just tapping the key.  The engine started so fast I did it several
    times just to make sure it was consistent.  The idle is also much
    smoother.  
    
    It may be the old coil was beginning to fail.  There is some things I
    don't know about the motor on this boat as the last owner rebuilt the
    motor and changed the cam and did some polishing on the heads.
    
    I'll let you know how the solid state units works after this weekend.