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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

509.0. "Need help w/ kid trainer skis" by RAVEN1::BLAIR (Plug me into something) Fri Sep 08 1989 14:18

    
    I need some help with training an 8 year old.  I bought a pair of
    those trainers which come with a handle at the end of the tow line
    and with the skis tied together at front and back to prevent leg 
    splits.  It also has the skier handle attached to the front where
    the skis are bound together.  This is harder to describe than I
    thought.  This is what it looks like (I know, this looks more like
    the starship Enterprise, but try to visualize, ok?)

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    I understand that you should start by pulling up the youngster by 
    hand in shallow water so that he/she will understand how it works 
    before pulling him/her behind the boat.  Now the question is, do
    I pull the little guy behind the boat with me holding onto the 
    front handle and let go as soon as he wipes out?  Also, after he
    learns to get up ok should I untie the rope handle from the front
    (where the skis are tied together) before I tie the rope directly
    to the boat so that the skis won't keep going after he wipes?  If
    these questions are too weird or confusing please at least share
    your experiences.  I appreciate it - this stuff makes me a litle
    nervous.

    -pat
        
    it seems
    a little dangerous to have the 
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509.1pointerIAMOK::KOSKIThis indecision&#039;s bugging meFri Sep 08 1989 14:363
    see also note 112.* regarding beginner skiers.
    
    Gail
509.2SETH::WHYNOTFri Sep 08 1989 15:3139
    My 5 year old has been up and skiing this year using the trainers.
    Rather than holding onto the (front) handle, the spotter wraps the
    rope (no handle) around the rear grab rail ONCE. This allows less
    arm fatigue for the spotter yet allows a quick release by the spotter
    should a fall occur. Under NO circumstances should the rope be attached
    to the boat if it's also attached to the skis! To start, put junior
    at the shore (tips in the water, tails on the beach) so that the
    bindings are just at the waters edge. SLOWLY take out the slack
    (use about 45 ft of rope) and go smoothly when all the slack is
    out. It doesn't take much speed at all, about 8 mph for my 5 year
    old. After they're up, keep talking to them, and smiling and tell
    them what a great job they're doing. (Even if they don't get up,
    tell them what a great attempt they made, etc..)  One thing, they
    do tend to freak out as they are being pulled out into the "wide
    open lake" (it must look huge to little people) So just yell to
    them "We're gonna make a little loop" and come back around easy
    (no sharp turns) as soon as they sight land, they calm right down
    and start enjoying it.
    The next step after the beach start is mastered and the child has
    skiied and got used to it a bit, is to disconnect the rope from
    the skis. Some more lawn training is now required to let him/her
    get used to the pull of the boat. (arms straight, knees bent, let
    the boat pull you, don't try to pull yourself up.) Oh yeh, the skis
    are still tied to each other, but the rope is now tied to the boat
    and NOT to the skis. Once in the water, with knees bent, tips up
    (a person holding the tips helps here) and arms straight. Emphasize
    ARMS STRAIGHT (i.e. elbows locked) and that when they get up, tell
    them to STAND UP! For some reason, most kids tend to keep their
    knees bent, and consequently go bum bouncing across the lake.
      One problem with the trainer skis is that, as they are being pulled,
    they tend to come up in the middle. (i.e. inside edges up high and
    outside edges low) They can be flattened out by putting the knees
    together thus shifting the weight to the inside edges. 
      One thing that progressed my son was the fact that he could have
    ski-gloves (Kid-Skins from Overtons) when he made the "loop". Now
    we have matching gloves. :^)  He also hasn't tried the deep water
    starts yet, he likes his "Beach Starts". (just like dad)
    Good Luck and let us know how you make out.
    Doug (who wishes I started skiing when I was 5 (or 8 for that matter))
509.3No, no. Don't tie the kid to the boat, he'll drownBUFFER::GOLDSMITHI&#039;m a Sun King baby!Mon Sep 11 1989 14:044
    One thing we have is a pair of old, short skis with the tips and tails
    tied together.  We don't tie the boat to the skis.  After you start
    with your way, try it with them holding the rope.  All you need is like
    a 10 hp boat, too.  (If you can access that.)
509.4Another addition to Team JobeRAVEN1::BLAIRPlug me into somethingMon Sep 18 1989 10:4223
    
    re .2

    Alright Doug!  Good advice guy.  I got the 8 year old (Zack) up
    on the 5th try.  There was only two adults, so the beach start was
    really the only way since he was unable to sit in the water without
    flopping from side to side.  If I had had a 3rd, I might have tried 
    a regular in-water start.  It didn't look good at first.  We tried 
    three times, then took a break.  Once or twice he made it into the 
    water, but fell backwards when it got a few feet deep.  I gave him 
    a pep talk on how that was normal and he just had to hang on til he 
    came out of the water.  Zack had a real good attitude and wanted to 
    try again.  I told him to show me his "war face" before we tried again 
    (also, I shortened the rope handle by tieing a knot in it).  I think 
    my boat driving improved also, as it wasn't so easy to feather the
    throttle just right at first.  It was such a hoot to see the little 
    guy come up and stay up.  He skied about 150 yds and wiped out on 
    the turnaround.  He was actually smiling and enjoying it.  I saw 
    what you meant about the skis being cocked inwards.  We're down in 
    here in S.C., so we'll probably be able to work at it some more 
    through October.  Thanks again.  It made my whole weekend.
    
    -pat (I already tried the "kid skins" tip too!)
509.5Great Stuff!SETH::WHYNOTMon Sep 18 1989 11:425
    Excellent!  Glad to hear he's up!  Oh yeah, forgot to tell you about
    the backward falls are usually the result of the handle needing
    an extra knot. There's no stoppin' him now!!
    Doug. (who's five-year-old wants to be footin' by age 10)
                          (I'll bet sooner.. :*)