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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

493.0. "FORMULA VS. BAJA, HELP..." by ABACUS::BAILEY () Mon Aug 28 1989 12:01

    Update to note 456.
    
    We narrowed the choices down to the 29' Formula, or a 32' Baja.
    I really like the Formula better, but the price on the Baja is
    very appealing.  The Formula is 86K, and the Baja is 59K.  We 
    have also decided to keep which ever boat on the ocean.  Is one
    better than the other for ocean boating?
    
    If anyone has any suggestions on either of the boats, I'd love
    to hear them.  How do both of these boats do for retaining their
    value, quality, etc.
    
    What should I be looking for when purchasing these boats?  Is 
    there anything that a boat must have that might be an option?
                                       
    Thanks,
    Sue
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493.1A few things to startPACKER::GIBSONI'm the NRAMon Aug 28 1989 12:3936
    Hi Sue
    Eather boat is certanly big enough for the deep blue. Some Items you
    will need to equip it with are as follows.
    
    FWC  Fresh Water Cooling
    Antifouling Bottom Paint
    Zinc Anodes
    Vhf Radio
    Depth/Fishinder
    Loran C
    Haylon Fire Ext.
    CO2 Fire Ext 2Ea
    2 Bildge pumps (autos)
    1 Hand Bildge pump
    Flare Gun and Flares, also hand held flares
    Dock lines 4 ea.
    Anchor, Chain and at least 600 ft line 1/2" or better
    Gasoline Explosive Gas sniffer
    2 large fenders
    Life Jackets with whisels
    Throwable float cusion
    Horn
    N.O.A.A. Charts & plotter & Dividers
    Ships Compass & hand Compass
    if your going offshore a EPIRB is nice as is a inflatable raft.
    Foul Weather gear
    
    That is most of the basic's I'm sure you'll find more stuff as you go
    along. 
    
                                      Have Fun!
    
                                       Walt
    
    P.S. Where are you going to keep the boat?
    
493.2This and thatNUTMEG::KLEINMon Aug 28 1989 13:1815
    
    Two good choices. Assuming you've been able to 'grind' the right
    prices for both boats, the differences look like this:
    
    Formula foams all their hulls - this makes them a little stiffer,
    a lot quieter, and actually insulates them in cold water.
    
    For the ocean, the longer the boat the easier the ride; the deeper
    the 'V', the easier the ride.  Three feet may not seem like much,
    but in long ocean rollers, three feet can make all the difference.
    
    Must have options? Mercathodes (or other sacrifial anode
    arrangement)...fresh water cooling helps engine life...a GOOD set
    of trim tabs (not the skinny little Bennett tabs).                
    
493.3Is this true?CGVAX2::JOHNSON_SMon Aug 28 1989 20:208
    I have heard (as you know) that Formula does not hold it's resale price
    as well as a Wellcraft (for example) because Formula's do not allow for
    much bargaining power.  Also was told that you're paying for the name 
    in the Formula.
    
    Just hear say from the Wellcraft dealership that we just visitied.
    
    Is this true?
493.4Resale valueNUTMEG::KLEINTue Aug 29 1989 13:2019
    
    RE: .3
    
    Actually as a percentage of initial sales price, Formula seems to
    at least equal Wellcraft.
    
    My experience has been that any Formula dealer will take 20-22%
    off the list and that Wellcraft will go 24-26% off the list. This
    assumes that you don't need other things from the dealer that only
    they can provide - like a slip on a tight lake or at a very desirable
    marina.                                                    
    
    All this gets confused if you're looking at a trade, but the above
    numbers are pretty consistent. Sportboats in general don't hold
    their values as well as other types of boats....another confusing
    factor in trying to figure 'holding value'
                                      
    
    
493.5Save the $27K - and take a vacation..ASPEN2::BOIKOIs this Heaven..No, it's Iowa..Tue Aug 29 1989 16:3115
	Sue,

	I happen to like both boats very much, but I can't help but think,
	how you can ever justify the $27,000 difference in price between the 
	two boats on quality/performance/resale. 

	They are both good boats - so why not just save the $27K difference
	and put it toward a tow vehicle, boat options, slip rental.etc..you're
	still getting a slightly larger boat with the Baja.

	The difference alone could buy a pretty good boat itself...Rick, what 
	would $27K buy in a Correct Craft..?

							Good Luck
							-mike-
493.6Just about any CC...and then someROGER::GAUDETSki NautiqueWed Aug 30 1989 10:017
    >>	The difference alone could buy a pretty good boat itself...Rick, what 
    >>	would $27K buy in a Correct Craft..?
    
    I'll take that one...a Barefoot Nautique with the 454, trailer and
    about $3k worth of gas!
    
    ...Roger...
493.7Hi-po fuel pump..TEKVAX::KOPECI'm not.Thu Aug 31 1989 10:1010
        
>    I'll take that one...a Barefoot Nautique with the 454, trailer and
>    about $3k worth of gas!
>    
>    ...Roger...

    yabut, $3k of gas will only take ya around the pond a dozen times
    with that moose of an engine...  8-)
    
    ...tom