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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

416.0. "Woman Around The Boat?" by DONVAN::DECAROLIS (Boil Some Water!) Mon Jun 26 1989 09:27

    
        I'm looking for the "Man Around the Boat" note....has anyone
    seen it?  (pointer please)
    
        Some friends have been trying to do this with their M.C.,
    but haven't had success yet.....I told them I'd get the specs.
    
    Thanks!
    jd/
    
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416.1Huh? PACKER::GIBSONI'm the NRAMon Jun 26 1989 09:3111
    Jeanne (sp?)
    
    Whats a M.C. ?
    
    I think haveing woman around the boat is just fine ! also in the
    boat, over the boat, under the boat? Wherever?
    
                            SCUBA  ^
    
                                          Walt
    
416.2Not-A-TiqueDONVAN::DECAROLISBoil Some Water!Mon Jun 26 1989 10:467
    
       Walt....you're toooooooooo funny!
    
    M.C. is an abbrev. for Monster....I mean Master Craft.
    
    jd/
    
416.3Warning...not for beginners!ROGER::GAUDETSki NautiqueMon Jun 26 1989 12:4140
    Jeanne, do your friends need an expert driver to show them how it's
    done?  Where are they trying this?  Maybe some on-site instruction
    would help?
    
    Skier cuts to the outside (doesn't matter which side, although some
    boats tend to turn better to one side than the other...you gotta
    figure that one out for yourself).  For the sake of this example, let's
    say the skier will cut to the right side of the boat.  The driver
    gradually turns the boat to the left thus whipping the skier faster to
    the right side.  When the skier is at maximum velocity (at about 60
    degrees off the stern) the driver suddenly turns the boat (*VERY*
    sharply) 180 degrees in the direction of the skier, backs off the
    throttle (almost to idle), everyone in the boat ducks down, and a
    spotter holds the ski rope up.  As the boat turns, the spotter guides
    the rope over the driver's head and windshield (beware of this, you could
    rip the windshield (and driver's head) off if it gets caught) and then
    the driver accelerates back up to speed.  The skier must pay attention
    to the boat position so that he/she can turn back toward the boat when
    the driver accelerates out of the hole.  And voila!  The skier "sees"
    360 degrees around the boat, even though the boat only turned 180.
    
    A slight variation to this is to have the skier start on one side of
    the wake and cut *hard* across the wake.  With this method you don't
    need to turn the boat to the left before turning toward the skier.  We
    do it this way all the time and our skiers have plenty of speed to
    complete the circle and stay on top of the water as the boat comes out
    of the hole.
    
    Any questions?  Fire away.  Good luck to your friends.  Please remind
    them of safety first!  This is not your average stunt...it requires a
    skilled driver, skier and spotter.  We developed this stunt gradually,
    taking it one step at a time.  Make sure the turn is sharp and the
    acceleration is smooth *BEFORE* you put a skier on the end of the rope. 
    Also, make a couple of passes where the skier whips outside the wake
    and then lets go of the rope and check how far they go on the water.
    You'd be surprised how fast you sink while the boat completes the turn.
    
    Please be careful.
    
    					...Roger...
416.4A couple questions.....DONVAN::DECAROLISWimbledon 1989Mon Jun 26 1989 16:4446
           
    >Jeanne, do your friends need an expert driver to show them how it's
    >done?  Where are they trying this?  Maybe some on-site instruction
    >would help?
   
      Yeah Roger....that would be great.  We're trying this up at 
Lake Attitash in Merrimac, MA.  If we can't make it work with these
instructions, I'm sure they'd love to have you help/show them the
"right" way.  Thanks!    

   >Skier cuts to the outside (doesn't matter which side, although some
   >boats tend to turn better to one side than the other...you gotta
   >figure that one out for yourself).  For the sake of this example, let's
   >say the skier will cut to the right side of the boat.  The driver
   >gradually turns the boat to the left thus whipping the skier faster to
   >the right side.  When the skier is at maximum velocity (at about 60
   >degrees off the stern) the driver suddenly turns the boat (*VERY*
   >sharply) 180 degrees in the direction of the skier, backs off the
   >throttle (almost to idle), everyone in the boat ducks down, and a
   >spotter holds the ski rope up.

         Ummmm.....does the skier at this point nail it across the
wake?  I think I'm confused, doesn't the skier cut in front of the boat 
(after/or while the boat is changing directions)???   When should
the skier make his move?  

    >rip the windshield (and driver's head) off if it gets caught) and then
    >the driver accelerates back up to speed.  The skier must pay attention
    >to the boat position so that he/she can turn back toward the boat when
    >the driver accelerates out of the hole.  

    So at this point, the skier has crossed over to the other side, the
boat direction has been reversed and the driver accelerates?
          
    >You'd be surprised how fast you sink while the boat completes the turn.
    
     Right!  Thats' what I saw happening, the skier would cut across
the wake and then sink.  It was like he didn't have enough momentum
to carry himself to the other side and beyond.  They made three attempts
and then quit.  

Jeanne

    

   
416.5from a seasoned spotter...REMEDY::KOPECLIB$INSERT_SCREWDRIVER()Tue Jun 27 1989 09:0824
    
    1.) make sure there are no parts of the windshield frame that could
    catch on the rope; it there are, you'll have to "fillet" them (build
    them up with something like tightly wadded paper, small rocks, etc
    and then tape over it)... often, if the timing isn't quite right
    the rope will snap down on a corner of the windshield, and anything
    that catches on the rope will be history. Tape alone won't do it,
    because the rope pulls *hard* and will just stretch the tape into
    whatever gap it's covering. The windshield will support the rope
    as long as it doesn't snag...
    
    2.) As roger said, the spotter guides the rope. the spotter does
    *not* support the rope under tension - s/he can't. When the slack
    picks up coming out of the turn, it picks up fast.. and if the
    spotter's hand is between the rope and some part of the boat, it's
    not a pretty sight... 
    
    3.) the driver and spotter  should be used to the way the boat feels 
    when it is spun before they try this with a skier... the combination 
    of forces takes getting used to, and you don't want a flying rope 
    adding to the confusion..

    ...tom
416.6Boat differences..REMEDY::KOPECLIB$INSERT_SCREWDRIVER()Tue Jun 27 1989 09:139
    oh, and maybe Roger can add to this, but it seems that some boats
    just don't spin quite right for this maneuver.. it probably has
    to do with the exact combination of engine performance, prop, fin
    configuration, weight distribution, rudder condition, and god knows
    what else... It's not just a MC/Nautique/whatever argument (tho
    I'm sure we could turn it into one 8-)), because even two nearly
    identical boats may spin quite differently..
    
    ...tom
416.7Additional detailROGER::GAUDETSki NautiqueTue Jun 27 1989 16:2840
    Tom (.5 & .6) is right, two boats of the same type *do* spin
    differently.  We spent a good amount of time practicing spinning the
    boat before putting someone on the end of a rope.  It is not just a
    matter of turning the boat when you feel like it...this is purely a
    timing maneuver, and a split second means the skier either sinks or
    gets the rope yanked from his/her hand.  Tom is a veteran spotter, and
    he's had his share of jammed fingers and rope burns.  This is not a
    stunt for the weekend warrior!
    
    So Jeanne, how far is this lake from, say, Maynard?  Perhaps an
    after-work trip could be in order here.
    
>>	Ummmm.....does the skier at this point nail it across the
>>	wake?  I think I'm confused, doesn't the skier cut in front of the boat 
>>	(after/or while the boat is changing directions)???   When should
>>	the skier make his move?
    
    If by "nail it" you mean cut hard, the answer is YES.  The skier has to
    put his/her all into the cut to get enough speed to complete the turn.
    The skier DOES NOT cut in front of the boat.  This is impossible anyway
    (thank God).  The boat turns "into" the skier (by which I mean in the
    direction of the skier, not "over" him/her).  As for the skier making
    their move, I assume you mean when do they start to cut; this is up to
    the skier.  When s/he's ready, they cut, and the driver has to turn the
    boat at the right time (as described in my last note).
    
>>	So at this point, the skier has crossed over to the other side, the
>>	boat direction has been reversed and the driver accelerates?
    
    Yup.  This is the point where the skier has to be watching for the boat
    to pick up speed and turn toward the boat so that the arms remain with the
    body.  You see, the skier needs to glide as long as possible, therefore
    they'll have to wait till the last possible moment before cutting
    toward the boat.  This is because as soon as the skier leans toward the
    boat, there's a dramatic decrease in speed (skier's speed), so they'll
    need to wait as long as possible before turning back toward the boat.
    
    Good luck.
    
    					...Roger...