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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

253.0. "Cosmetic Maintenance Tips" by BTO::BATES_R_T (��t�) Wed Feb 01 1989 11:45

    
    I'd like to start a note corcerning the care of boats. By "care"
    I mean the canvas, the cushions, protectants used, storage techniques
    and anything else related to it. Mr. moderator please redirect me
    if this has already been discussed....
    
    ps. also  care of teak, fiberglass, etc..
                      
    	
    			Rene Bates (who still hasn't named his boat)
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253.1Clear Vinyl Help NeededBAGELS::MONDOUWed Feb 01 1989 13:094
    Good idea.  One problem that I have not solved is how to
    polish out the fine scratches that seem to be inevitable
    in my clear vinyl side curtains.  Any ideas ?
    
253.2teak protectionHAZEL::YELINEKWITHIN 10Wed Feb 01 1989 13:4323
    I was lookin' to visit the boat show this week to see if I could
    find this 2-Step teak cleaner/preserver I saw back at the Sportfishing
    Show. 
    
    BTW-My boat doesn't have to much teak, I haven't taken delivery yet
        (April 7th) but I want to be prepared with the maintenance equip.
         along with the handy dandy shine accesories that are part of
         owning a fiberglass boat. I mean, what else do I have to think
         about when there's still a chance of sn*w....
    
    As I understand? cleaning and oiling the teak is a 3? step process?
    Or was the guy at the boat show feeding me a line......
    He claimed to have a 2-Step (2 liquids) in order to accomplish the
    same results as the usual 3. Anybody care to comment?
    
    What do you people use to wax your boat with anyway. Is there a
    wax specifically designed for fiberglass that you have experience
    with. Or is all this nonsense something that the new boat owner does 
    for the first year or two
    ....and then.... .

    
    /MArk
253.3AH but for Spring.......SALEM::KLOTZWed Feb 01 1989 13:5943
    Vinyl Side Curtains-
    	Use a mild soap about three times a year (Commission, Mid, Layup)
    	Ivory Liquid is great.   Soap too often dries them out.
    	Host with a open hose (flow not spray or stream) frequently!
    	PLEDGE (not lemon Pledge -as it'll yellow). If you spray on
    	some pledge & wipe with a soft cloth you'll see an immediate
    	improvement in clarity, shine, & fewer scratches.
    	When rolling the curtains roll a soft cloth with them. The
        scratches come from the vinyl cutting itself.
    
    Vinly Seats etc..
    	Armor All can not be beat -- blocks the UV & the don't fade
    	or dry up.
    
    Snaps for the Bimini
    	Silicon Spray (WD 40 will cause black streaks)
    
    Teak
    	Starbright Premium -- I have used many other oils & used this
    	for the first time last season.  I was REAL impressed. I only
    	has to touch it up once towards Aug. & I think that was only
    	cause it felt un-natural not to.
    
    Bimini Top
    	If canvas a little water in a bucket with some lemon juice removes
    	& kills any mildew build that always show up.
    
    	If of the vinyl type - automotive vinyl top cleaner & wax is
    	fantastic.
    
    General wash downs
    	Simple Green is great for scum lines
    	Turtle Wax ZIF car wash keeps a great shine & adds to soil
    	resistance between major waxes (not slippery either - wash &
    	wax in one shot!)		
   
    Stainless
    	Never-Dull -- one of the greatest things since slices bread
    	I do all the stainless on my 34'convertible in about 15 min.
    	Wipe on/off - removes rust spots also
    
    				Have fun,
                                          Lou "Phanta Sea"
253.4Pledge for side curtainsROBOAT::HEBERTCaptain BlighWed Feb 01 1989 14:0836
        The top and side curtains that came with my HydraSports are made
        by Water Bonnet. I called them at their factory in Florida to ask
        them for recommendations for upkeep. I've followed their advice
        since I bought this boat in 1984.
        
        "Canvas" - which really isn't canvas, but a vinyl-coated heavy
        cloth - I wash the outside vinyl with diluted Armorall Cleaner.
        When it's completely dry I spritz on Armorall Protectant, which I
        then rub in with a soft cloth. It looks like it did when I bought
        it.
        
        "Windows" - the clear plastic parts of the canvas set that you
        zip in or out - I wash them with a solution of dish soap (Dove,
        Ivory, like that) and warm water, using a soft terry cloth. When
        they're dry I spray on _non-lemon_ Pledge furniture polish, let
        it get not-quite-dry, and wipe them *vigorously* with a very soft
        (usually flannel) rag. This last step has allowed me to buff out
        the occasional abrasions that you get in these windows, like
        where they rub against the Bimini top support, you know?
        
        Speaking of the Bimini top support, a couple of years ago a freak
        heavy wet snow storm hit us in the first week in May. The
        aluminum frame for my Bimini top collapsed from the weight, as I
        had already removed my winter cover. I could not get a
        replacement frame, as Water Bonnet has changed their style. So I
        had a new one made at a small shop at Bend Boat Basin in
        Portsmouth, RI. The new one is completely stainless steel, right
        down to the set screws. This one does NOT rub black marks onto
        the side curtains like the old aluminum one did. Looks much
        better, too. It should, for the cost. But it fit perfectly.
        
        There's good reason to take good care of your canvas top set and
        side curtains. It will cost you $1200 to $1500 to replace them on
        a 24' boat.
        
        Art
253.5boat care products + product queryFENNEL::KLEINWed Feb 01 1989 17:5316
    
    For teak (which I truly hate to take care of), I use DEKS OLJE.
    It's apparently a mix of an oil and a light varnish. Needs no sanding
    once it's applied and you keep after it. Keeping after it = a fresh
    coat every 90 days (that's in sweetwater). It comes in several grades,
    I use the #2 grade which is imparts a light gloss to the wood.
    
    For stainless, there's a product called 'Magic Wadding Polish' or
    some other such thing which cleans and seals quite nicely.    
    
    There is a product called NYALIC which, once 'painted' on, reportedly 
    seals the gelcoat on a relatively permanent basis - anyone had any 
    experience with this?
    
    
    this?
253.6Ahhhhh...the *Magic Wadding*HAZEL::YELINEKWITHIN 10Thu Feb 02 1989 15:0315
re:-1  >For stainless, there's a product called 'Magic Wadding Polish' or
       >some other such thing which cleans and seals quite nicely.    
    
       I believe you're refering to "Never Dull" which a previous noter
    recommended. Comes in a can about 4" high & 4" in diameter. 
     
    I've used this stuff for years on the chrome on my motorcycle. Its
    leaves a slightly oily appearance after applying the 'magic wadding'.
    Follow this with the buffing using a towel and it shines beautifully.
    
    I like the stuff and continue to use it however I question its ability
    to 'seal' since its application is thin over essentially a non-porous
    surface.
    
    /MArk    
253.7Two centsUSRCV1::FRASCHMon Feb 13 1989 15:434
    FIBERGLASS:
     I use Starbright "Marine Polish". Its not a wax at all but, some
    sort of silicons treatment. It doesn't fade in the sun. Works great
    on the stainless as well.
253.8Common taskPACKER::GIBSONMon Mar 20 1989 14:0617
    Amazing New Product.
    
    It's called Raw Linseed oil.  Works real well, lasts a long time
    and is ceap by comparision.
    
    I'll second Marks vote for never dull. I recived professional training
    by my drill instructor in the Navy in Brass care and this is what
    uncle sam recomends.
    
    Turtle wax- What kind of turtle does it come from?? Beats Me. but
    it works fine. 2-3 times year does it.
    
    A couple more weeks and well be in the water too. Anybody want to
    come to a commisioning party?
    
                                        Walt
    
253.9when the party..!HAZEL::YELINEKWITHIN 10Wed Mar 22 1989 15:019
>>    A couple more weeks and well be in the water too. Anybody want to
>>    come to a commisioning party?
    
  Surrrrrrrrrre. Name the date.
    
    When will Rainbow Chaser be in the water up in NebT.?
    
    /MArk
    
253.10Milky Look to Fiberglass-HELP!LUDWIG::CAPALDIThu May 04 1989 04:4426
    
    
    Let The Boating Begin!!!!!
    
    
    But Clean Up First!!!!!
    
    
    Any suggestions on how to get out bad milky oxidation on fiberglass.
    I have tried fiberglass rubbing compound by hand, but not with a
    buffer.  Help.....
    
    NEVERDULL.....
    
    
    I can second and third the vote for neverdull.  I even used it to
    get the exhaust stains off of the transom, as I have through the
    hull exhaust.  
    
    For vinyl, I used a "shampoo" from some company called ------
    
    Vinyl Shampoo----- of course.  It can be seen in the catalogs such
    as Barts and Ski Limited.  The stuff comes in a plastic bottle.
    
    
     
253.11Try PenetrolWEDOIT::JOYCEThu May 04 1989 08:004
    Try Penetrol. It won't get rid of the oxidation but it will bring
    back the shine. It has some kind of oil (linseed?) in it.
    
    Steve
253.12A last resortNRADM::WILSONIt doesn't get any better than thisThu May 04 1989 09:499
    
    If the hull is so badly oxidized that rubbing compound
    won't help, try wet sanding with 600 grit paper and a
    flexible sanding block.  Do it first in an insonspicuous
    spot to make sure it works.  Then follow it up with some
    polishing compound and wax.
           
    Rick W.
    
253.13Pine Tar Remover Reccomendations?FSDEV4::BSERVEYBill ServeyWed Oct 03 1990 22:2010
    The weekend before labor day I broke my shift cable - got me so pissed
    that I left the boat - uncovered - and walked  up from the dock not to
    return for 5-6 weeks (even though its just across the street!)
    
    I'd like personal reccomendations on pine tar remover for use on both
    the seats and the fiberglass. My boat sits under a pine tree and its a
    mess! I've used regular ol' automotive pine tar remover but it sitll
    seems to take a lot of elbow grease and requires the use of scorch
    green pads (really beats on the canvas) - any sugesstions are welcome!
    
253.14Cut the tree down or move the dock :^)TOTH::WHYNOTYNOTThu Oct 04 1990 08:435
    Either Pine-Sol or Lestoil dissolves sap pretty good. You souldn't use
    any abrasives as they will scratch the fiberglass/scrape the upolstery
    before the pitch comes out.
    Good Lucck,
    Doug
253.15I wish I could cut the tree down!FSDEV4::BSERVEYBill ServeyFri Oct 05 1990 11:1010
RE:               -< Cut the tree down or move the dock :^) >-
    
    I wish I could! See its a right-of-way on my neighbors property! Worse
    than that, they want the tree down, but are merely tenants! Now the
    real answer here is to move to a "real" lake where I could have a
    mooring and not be encumbered by local "blue laws" - I'm on Lake Boon
    in Stow, all of 175 acres and there's no-wake on Sunday's from 2-6pm.
    
    Thanks for the tip on cheap alternatives!
    Bill
253.16try gas - be carefulPENUTS::GORDONFri Oct 05 1990 16:486
    I've used gasoline before to remove pine pitch from the paint on a car.
    It works well but I have always washed the car imediately after.  I
    don't know if it will have any effect on fiberglass.
    
    Gordon
    
253.17Too expensiveGOLF::WILSONMarine BuyologistFri Oct 05 1990 17:058
    
    RE: .16
    Gasoline may work ok on the fiberglass.  But it will do a number on
    any tape stripes and especially on the upholstery, so it should be
    avoided.  Besides, who can afford to use gas as a cleaning product 
    now?  8^)
    
    Rick W.
253.18SHRFAC::MASSICOTTESat Oct 06 1990 17:3512
    
    Sounds like you have a lot of "spots" to clean up.
    
    If you have a delicate surface with something adheared 
    to it, locate some dry ice. A small piece held in a pair
    of pliers and layed against the sticky stuff makes it 
    loose it's adhesive qualities and can be easily removed.
    
    Mineral spirits will also desolve the sap, with rubbing.
    
    Fred
    
253.19Avon SSSROBOAT::HEBERTCaptain BlighMon Oct 08 1990 10:193
I've used Avon Skin-So-Soft to remove sap from my boat.

Art
253.20VLNVAX::HEDERSTEDTT.B.S.Mon Oct 08 1990 13:027
    
     Hold a ice cube on the spot to freeze the sap,Take a butter knife or
    similar object to the sap edges to pop of most of the sap. Works
    like a champ! Just be carfull not to scratch the surface. Mineral
    spirts will clean up what is left.
    
    		Wayne
253.21Cheap trixULTRA::BURGESSMad man across the waterTue Oct 09 1990 12:1519
	Not that I like to spend my time cleaning the boat, any of its 
accessories or even the tow vehicle when there's better things to do, 
like sk*, but....

	I'm as cheap with my money as I am with my time, so, 
anticipating gas to be 10c or 15c a gallon higher in Vermont this 
week-end, I topped it up in New Hampshire.  This isn't the first time 
its cost me >$5 to save a nickel, I just about washed the stripe tapes 
off the SeaRay trying to overfill it at the 2c a gallon cheaper pump.  
Anyway, I now have a nasty stain on the ("canvas" ?) road cover, right
where the tank vent is, and the light blue rub rail plastic insert has
turned green where the gas sloshed down it (I s'pose it would be worse
if it was rope).   HELP  !!!   I need canvas cleaner and presumably 
some kind of re-waterproofer.

	Reg


253.22paint thinner...HYEND::J_BORZUMATOTue Oct 09 1990 12:339
    
    (just a minute)  Boat hat off::::Woodworking hat on.
    
    paint thinner will remove pine tar pitch without damaging your
    gelcoat or your vinyl seats... Woodworking hat off :
    
    Boat hat on: (that feels better)
    
    JIm.
253.23WD-40 worksCGVAX2::HAGERTYJack Hagerty KI1XWed Oct 10 1990 12:243
    I have great luck with WD-40. Dont know about the seat coverings
    or your gel. Would expect the boat would be fine, the seats -- 
    dont know. Try it.
253.24Help on cleaning plastic curtainsGOLF::WILSONBill and Ted&#039;s Excellent AdventureMon Jun 10 1991 10:4217
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MENSCH::BURKE                                        11 lines  10-JUN-1991 09:24
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    I made a mistake and stored my clear plastic side curtins in the cudy
    of my welcaft. They were still a little wet from the rain and when I
    took them out a week later it looks like some chemical action has
    turned them a gray blue fog color. Anyone else ever have this
    experience or know of any cure. 
    
    				Thanks
    
    
    				Kevin
    
253.25Cleaning plastic curtainsGOLF::WILSONBill and Ted&#039;s Excellent AdventureMon Jun 10 1991 10:448
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    A good car wax/cleaner should clean them.
253.26Cosmetic Maintenance TipsGOLF::WILSONBill and Ted&#039;s Excellent AdventureMon Jun 10 1991 10:5317
    Kevin,
    Now that I've moved your question and a reply to it over here,
    I'll reply myself.  First, read thru the previous notes in this 
    topic.
    
    The clouding of the plastic is because they have absorbed a
    lot of water.  Let them dry outdoors in a shady area away from
    direct sunlight and they should be fine.  Then clean and polish
    them with non-lemon Pledge as mentioned earlier in this topic.
    I tried it for the first time on my boat recently and it worked
    great.  
    
    Be careful using an automotive cleaner/wax, some of them are 
    fairly abrasive and could leave fine scratches.  Try Meguiars
    plastic polish if they already are scratched or badly weathered.
    
    Rick
253.27Cleaning a canvas mooring cover?GOLF::WILSONThu Apr 23 1992 11:5210
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SALEM::NORCROSS_W                                     4 lines  23-APR-1992 07:51
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    Can someone recommend a good way to clean a canvas mooring cover?
    It has a couple of small stains but basically it's just dirty from
    being tied up under a tree for a few months.
    Thanks, Wayne
253.28SimpleGOLF::WILSONThu Apr 23 1992 11:5422
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>                     -< Cleaning a canvas mooring cover? >-

>    Can someone recommend a good way to clean a canvas mooring cover?

	Sure, find a volunteer (-:

	Seriously,  Simple Green is good stuff, I've only started 
using it since I found it in gallon jugs at BJ's.  I don't remember 
the exact price, but it was a lot more reasonable than the little 4 or 
6oz bottles were.

	Reg	{spring clean up enthusiast}


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QETOO::WHYNOT "Malibu Skier"                         12 lines  23-APR-1992 10:18
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    Last year I went to a coin-op laudromat, found the biggest machine they
    had (a triple loader(?)) and proceded to spend quarters.  Actually, I
    called the manufacturer, and they suggested to wash it once with ivory
    snow, then wash it again with no soap, then spin dry.  You gotta
    re-apply whatever waterprooffing afterwards.  I used about 5 cans of
    Scotch-guard, but wasn't to thrilled with the results or expense.
    This year I'm gonna try Thomson's Water Seal applied with a garden
    sprayer. (worked real well on my basement floor...).
    
    BTW this is a cotton/blend mooring cover.
    
    Doug
253.30Sounds good...GOLF::WILSONThu Apr 23 1992 12:0313
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AIMHI::BORZUMATO                                      6 lines  23-APR-1992 10:57
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    I  have  thought about putting Thomson's on my winter  canvas.
    
    Let us know  how it goes...
    
    JIm.
253.31RTL::LINDQUISTThu Apr 23 1992 15:0722
    Last year I wanted to re-new the water-proofing on my cover.
    I went to the hardware store, and put a gallon of stuff
    intended for waterproofing tents.  Went on nice, but one
    gallon did less that 1/4 of the cover.  At $20/gallon,
    I wasn't about to continue with the same stuff.

    I did use a pump-up garden sprayer.  Next time I might use a
    air spray gun.  I think I'd get the same waterproofing
    without having to soak the canvas quite as much.

    So, I used Thompson's water seal.  Very effective at
    waterproofing.  But, it stinks -- as in smells bad.
    It still smells a bit like kerosene.  It also darkened
    the cover quite a bit, and took weeks to completely dry
    out.

    If I were waterproofing a boat cover, I'd use the Thompson's
    again.  If it were a dodger, or something that I had to
    touch/smell frequently, I wouldn't.

    	- Lee

253.32they use???AIMHI::BORZUMATOThu Apr 23 1992 15:346
    back  when i bought the canvas, it had an odor to it + you could
    feel something  on  your hands  after  hadling it.
    
    what do they use  at the factory to waterproof???
    
    JIm.
253.33CADSYS::GATULISFrank Gatulis 226-6140Wed Apr 29 1992 15:3725
I had my mooring cover made by Johnson Canvas (in Auburn, I think).
I'm sure they could give you the scoop on waterproofing.

My mooring cover is 3+ years old and still sheds water like a duck. All
I've ever done (each season) is follow these instructions they gave me
when I bought it.

Cleaning  info:

   Cold water only
   2 cups Clorox
   1 cup Ivory Flakes
   line dry only


I don't know if this does anything in the way of waterproofing or if the
original waterproofing stuff has just lasted this long.  I've forgotten the
name of the fabric but it was relatively new back when I bought it.  It's
on an 18ft boat and is lightweight enough that I doo it with ease in our
home washing machine.

Frank


253.34boat name suggestionWISELY::FRASCAThu Aug 01 1996 11:514
I'm sure you've heard this one !

How about " Bates Motel " 

253.35KNOTTY DREAMSWMOIS::MELANSON_DOMThu Aug 01 1996 16:512
    I just named mine KNOTTY DREAMS.  The boat is in the process of being
    documented now and the name should be on it as we speak.