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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

185.0. "Older hulls & Newer moters" by ARCHER::SUTER (Water is meant to ski on!) Mon Oct 17 1988 23:55

    
    	I've been looking for a boat for a friend. His requirements
    are tow the kids skiing, maybe him, nothing fancy, all of them on
    2 skis. The kids are < 100 lbs and he's quite close to that himself.
    This is on a small fresh water lake. (starting to sound like a help
    me, I'm a first time buyer note, huh?)
    
    	My thoughts about the right boat for him are:
    
    		1) Older hull (14-16 ft)
    		2) Very late model Outboard 84^ maybe 40 hp^
    		3) Price ~2K
    
    	I figure to trade off hull value for a late model motor.
    
    	The stats I've come up with raise a couple questions. Am I 
    worried too much about the age of an outboard motor? What about
    the hull? Should repairs to the transom (like one I saw the other
    day) be taken lightly? The boat I saw had major transom repairs,
    half of the transom had been replaced, from halfway down the
    transom to just under the boat. Rotted transom as previously
    discussed in this file, maybe??
    
    	What do you look at, other than obvious major cracks, in an
    older fiberglass hull? can you see these defects thru a fresh 
    paint job?

    Rick
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185.1Be suspicious of a new paint jobROGER::GAUDETSki NautiqueTue Oct 18 1988 13:4715
    >>  older fiberglass hull? can you see these defects thru a fresh 
    >>  paint job?

    On my boat (1965) I was able to cover up all the hairline cracks
    with Imron, but only TEMPORARILY!  Sometime during the second season
    (after the paint job) I started to see all the little cracks on
    the deck that I had covered up with paint.  At the end of that season
    when I cleaned the bottom...voila...there were all the cracks on
    the bottom too.  All this and I thought I had done a pretty good
    job sanding out all the cracks before priming and painting.  So
    I guess the answer is YES, a fresh paint job will cover up a lot
    of defects, but two years later you'll have very litle recourse
    when they pop through the paint!
    
    					...Roger...
185.2Repowering older boats with newer motorsWILLEE::DALTONWed Oct 19 1988 16:4947
    Rick,
    
    I have gone through the exact same experience myself in the last
    12 months. Here are my thoughts and experiences.
    
    My price range last Sept was not to exceed 2K. I also spent enough
    time to realize the major expense was the motor. I decided the boat
    and trailer needed to be in good condition, not perfect, but certainly
    sound. I also realized that I could not/would not maintain the motor
    so I wanted something I could depend upon/afford. That led me to
    a late model motor.
    
    Anyway, last October I found a 14' MFG (1966) with a trailer (1971)
    and a motor that was a basket case. The boat had been repainted,
    but not well but I found no signs of serious cracks/repairs. This
    but checking inside and out. The trailer needed (and still does)
    paint, and I added new tires, bearings and lights to make myself
    feel good. This cost $550.
    
    The hard part was finding a motor. A used 40hp (max for the boat)
    is hard to find. Smaller (25hp) and larger (greater that 75hp) did
    not seem to be a problem, but 40hp was. I got to the point that
    I even priced new, but installed with controls, prop, etc was $3600.
    My other requirement for a motor was from a dealer, so that if there
    was a problem I had some recourse, again realizing 30 days was all
    I was going to get.
    
    I found an 83 40hp manual Merc at a dealer. With controls and installed
    on my boat was $1600. 
    
    I over spent my 2K. But in retrospect, 2K was not enough if you
    have to put the package together yourself or if a late model motor
    is the requirement.
    
    They can be found (btw mine is for sale, i want to go bigger) but
    you need to spend time looking at a lot of "junk".
    
    I think older boat/newer motor is a good way to go. I also think that
    smaller boats in the 60s and early 70s are better made that today's
    smaller boats. 
    
    I would NOT look at anything that has had structural repair like
    the transom or even anything that hints of possible repairs.
    
    Good luck, and I hope your friend finds what he wants.
    
    Jim