Conference vicki::boats

    Bill,
    See note 87.
    
    
    Rick W.

    
    I believe the Maxum boats are yet another product of Brunswick.
    They are very similiar, if not exact copies of their Bayliner line.
    Same hull design and even same power plants I believe.  OMC i/o's
    and Force o/b's.  The 16 ft probably has the 85 HP Force.  I believe
    Maxum offers those little extras you won't find in Bayliners.  A
    lot of bells and whistles in the interior.  Compare them to a Bayliner
    if you get a chance and you'll notice a LOT of similiarities.
    
    Bob
    

    Actually I stopped by to cure my curisutry... the 16 ft has a 50hp
    (rated max at 55). You have to go the 17' to get the 85 hp. Same
    as bayliner. The differnece between bayliner and maxumm is little
    touchs - slightly better carpet is about all i could see!

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Note 180.14                   Marine Salvage Rights                     14 of 14
SALLIE::CPERSON                                      10 lines  22-MAR-1989 09:57
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    HI,
    
    	Advice time!!!! Does anyone have any info. about a 1989 MAXIUM.
    I am looking into buying one next month. It's 17'9' in length, 85
    hp outboard,and the price is $9200.
    	This is my first boat and this is a major step for my wife and
    I. I would like to hear some pros and cons about this boat. Unless
    someone has a better offer out there for a boat about the same size
    but at a cheaper price.
    

    Is it possible that the Maxum may have the same hull shape, but that it
    is built better? I picked up a Maxum brochure that claims that their
    hulls are hand-laid fiberglass. I've never heard any bad claims about
    Bayliner's scientifically designed hull shape from a functional
    standpoint, only from a build quality standpoint. While it is certainly
    posssible that there are no real differences between the Maxum and
    Bayliner hulls, I wonder if it is just as possible that there are
    differences that can't be seen from the outside. 
    
    john 
    
    

    
      ANY boat that's built by hand will have variations from boat to
    boat, by the very nature of it being built by hand! Even the boats
    built with chopper guns - are still built by hand (someone's holding
    that chopper gun!). The big difference is - is there enough margin
    of safety so that the day to day variations don't every go below
    the threshold of safety (or good boatbuilding) If the Maxxum is
    built at a different location or on a different assembly line -
    it could EASILY be a MUCH better boat. It doesn't REALLY matter
    WHO OWNS the company, what matters is how WELL do they want to make
    the boat? What kind of reputation are they trying to build? Usually
    SOME small aspects of different products made by the same company
    are the same or similar, but they can make them as good (or as bad)
    as they want.
      Judging from the way Maxxum represents their boats, I'd say they
    are a definite step up in quality from Bayliner.
    
    					Kenny

    Kenny, I am in agreement with you, that is why I posed the question. I
    am hoping that someone has read something on Maxum that would explain
    the relationship. There have been several people with the sentiment
    that since the Maxum is similiar in appearance to the Bayliner and that
    they are both owned by the same parent company that they must be the
    same boat. For the reasons you give I am not so sure that that is true.
    It may be, and it may not, I'd like to know and I haven't found an
    answer in my readings yet.
    
    One possibility I see is that Brunswick introduces a line of boats that
    fills gap (in both quality and price) between the price-leader Bayliner
    brand and the other more expensive (like Sea Ray) brands they sell.
    Maybe like GM positions Oldsmobile between Chevrolet and Cadillac. Such
    a boat is still being built to a price, albeit a higher one, so it
    still won't be top quality, but quality will be improved to match its
    price. 
    
    Some people are accusing Brunswick of painting Bayliners maroon, adding
    different trim, and calling them Maxums and charging more money based
    on an illusion of greater quality (called cheating in some cricles) and
    I'm simply trying to determine whether or not it is true.
    
    BTW - this isn't because I am really down on Bayliners, I am not,
    I just like to know the truth when accusations fly.
    
    john

    I picked up a Bayliner brochure on the Capri line of boats (that line
    seems the most similiar to the Maxum brand line) and closely examined
    the shapes of the boats to see what I could see. All that I can state
    is that a Maxum is not a Bayliner, in terms of shape, painted maroon.
    (I can't address the issue of build quality based on pictures.) 
    
    Differences that I observed:
    
    � While the hulls have similar bottom and forward shapes, the sides
      and sterns are quite different in shape, enough that same molds
      couldn't be used for both hulls.
    
    � The decks and upper hulls are quite different in shape.
    
    � Side glass in completely different, harder to tell re. the windshield.
    
    � Helm stations are different, use different instrumentation. 
    
    � Maxum uses Mercruiser stern drives, Bayliner OMC, both use Force OBs. 
    
    Finally there may be a difference in size, but I am too sure about
    that. Bayliner reports centerline length while Maxum prints overall
    length. Therefore there are no Maxum models that share the same
    length with a similiar sized Bayliner, whether this is due to a
    real difference or a different spec I do not know yet.
    
    I understand that these differences may not be significant, but they
    are there, and what that means to me is that that the Maxum VS Bayliner
    debate is at least one more step complicated then saying "a Maxum is a
    maroon Bayliner". Since they don't seem to be the same boats on the
    surface, I'd be interested in any information that says that that are
    beneath the surface.
    
    john

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Note 927.0                  Feedback on Maxum & Force                    1 reply
AIMHI::DUARTE                                         3 lines  31-OCT-1991 15:48
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    Hi,
    I am considering bying a 18' Maxum with a 90hp Force o/b. I'd like some
    feedback form owners of one or the other or both.

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MR4DEC::GSHAW                                         6 lines  23-APR-1992 16:49
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    does anyone out there know anything about a Maxum? I saw a 23ft cudy
    1989 for $16,300. Who maks them and is this a good deal??
    
    thanks
    
    George

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NEMAIL::COLVIN                                       20 lines  24-APR-1992 08:34
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    Maxum is a subsidiary of US Marine which is part of Brunswick, one of
    the two big conglomerates (OMC is the other). They are built in
    Washington State. I bought a 21' bowrider runabout last Fall and am 
    expecting to pick it up today. I did a LOT of shopping around late last
    season and felt this boat (a leftover '91 at the time the '92s were
    coming out) was the best value. Maxum is one of the so-called "package"
    boat makers (boat/power/trailer included). I thought it was built well
    for my intended lake use and dealer was willing to deal to move the
    boat. I got it from Baert Marine in Danvers, Ma. The sales manager's
    name is Jack McMath and has been really a pleasure to deal with.
    
    I paid about $15.5 k (21' boat, 260 Mercruiser, trailer, mooring cover,
    stainless steel prop, etc). $16.3K sounds sort of high for a 3-year old
    23' boat unless there is something special about equipment, etc. The
    next size up from 21' in Maxum's now is 24'. Baert is
    on Rt1, north of 128 in Danvers, also have a store in Plaistow, NH.
     If I can help you further, call me at DTN:224-1569.
    
    Larry
                                                 

    Thanks Larry for the info. This particular 23 footer seems to be a
    package deal. The tandom trailer is the same color as the boat etc. I
    have to admit, it is a sharp looking boat. the Hull is very stream line
    with 6 chines, looks like it could take a beating in rough seas. As far
    as the price goes, I agree with you that a 3 year old boat that size
    seems a bit over priced in the day and age.
    I see this boat on rt20 in east Marlboro every morning and it seems
    to be talking to me when I drive by. But the good news is my wife gave
    me "permission" to upgrade my 20 ft Glastron so I,m in the market.
    
    Thanks
    
    George

    Now that Spring is here I have taken delivery of and launched the 21'
    bowrider mentioned in .11. Previous boat was a 25 year old MFG with a
    20 year old 65HP Johnson with an ailing center cylinder and no trim so,
    needless to say, this is a REAL step up for my father and I.
    
    Boat is 21' bowrider with 260 Mercruiser, rear sun pad/bucket seat
    configuration. It is a leftover '91. Performance is great, pops up on
    plane very quickly, 45 MPH @ 3800 RPM (I have been observing the
    break-in restriction of no full-throttle until 10 hours-1.5 hours to
    go). Still getting comfortable with using trim, boat really reacts to
    trim adjustments. Power tilt in shallow water is VERY nice. The quality 
    seems good. All my issues have been cosmetic and the dealer (Baert Marine 
    in Danvers, Ma.) has been very cooperative. The boat went to Lake 
    Champlain in Vermont where it's home will be. Baert got new engine cover 
    and seat cushion vinyl covers to repair small damaged spots in each and 
    allowed me to have recovering work done by a shop in Burlington, Vt., so 
    I would not have to return it all the way to them in Massachusetts. They 
    then reimbursed me for charges.
    
    Biggest problem has nothing to do with boat itself or dealer. A group of
    seagulls has adopted it (since it was one of the first boats in the
    water this year) as an occassional conference center. Cleaning guano
    off a brand new mooring cover raises my blood pressure to a new record!
    
    Anyway, we are very pleased with the boat. Working out a few minor
    new-boat glitches. For instance, the bow eye works great with the winch
    on the trailer but this puts it near the water-line and makes hitching
    a mooring line to it from inside the boat a real balancing act favoring
    those with very long arms! Very thrilling indeed doing it in large
    waves! Would definitely recommend Maxum and Baert at this point, will
    see how it holds up.
    
    Larry