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| 144.1 | "SUNSHINE" | PBA::SCHLEGEL | | Thu Sep 08 1988 12:37 | 21 |
| It has been my experience that moorings are generally a "local custom"
type of ownership, starting with:
o Are they in a harbor? (e.g. "owned" by the harbormaster, local
mooring company, etc.)
o What is the local custom? (e.g. "That is Salty Sam's old mooring,
he is saving that for his son", or whatever. You might legally
pull it, but have someone irate about it).
o o is moored in the vicinity? They canj usually shed some light
as to the local custom without you revealing the specific ones you
have in mind.
While you could pull a mooring "anywhere", I think you would agree
at least the above criteria immediately come into play.
Regarding whether anyone would want one of them, it would depend
where they are, of course. I have a satisfactory mooring,but if
I were looking for one, I would wonder: Is it exposed to weather?
Is it safe? Many old mooring chains are almost rusted through.
Is the area secure or would I come back to a stripped boat, or no
boat!! What is under the chain? Many "anchors" are rusted old engine
blocks. In any case, good luck with your find!
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| 144.2 | Pointer to diver's notesfile | BTO::JPETERS | John Peters, DTN 266-4391 | Fri Sep 09 1988 14:35 | 3 |
| Walt, ask the question in Rainbo::Flg:[Wasser]Scuba notesfile.
John
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| 144.3 | | HAZEL::YELINEK | WITHIN 10 | Mon Sep 12 1988 14:16 | 11 |
| I dive the Cape Ann area my self quite abit and I spotted a cement
(block) mooring with some chain attached back in June. Is this like
the mooring you've seen? or are they 'mushroom' anchors.?
BTW Walt, I was crusing the docks last week and figured I'd look
to see the Rainbow Chaser. Where the hell is she? I was in the 'City
Boat Works' off Merrimac St.? on the Newburyport side of the river.
Isn't that where she floats? Slip or mooring?
Later
/MArk
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| 144.4 | A chunka concrete | AD::GIBSON | Lobst'a Ayah | Mon Sep 12 1988 15:06 | 13 |
| Mark and others concerned. The moorings are Concreate
with chain . Small one approx 1500 to 2000 lbs and the big one approx
10,000 lbs.
Yes Rainbow Chaser is at city boat works, Maybe you caught me on
a day at sea. It's the only 30 ft Alura there and the only one in
New England with a black soft top. There is one in Conn. with a
black hard top.
SEA ya later
Walt
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| 144.5 | | BMT::SAPIENZA | Knowledge applied is wisdom gained. | Mon Sep 12 1988 18:45 | 14 |
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> Mark and others concerned. The moorings are Concreate
> with chain . Small one approx 1500 to 2000 lbs and the big one approx
> 10,000 lbs.
A 10,000 lb mooring? Was the QE2 moored in that area?
I have a 25ft boat and use a 250 lb mooring. Are you sure about
those estimates on the weight? And -- assuming you can legally
remove them -- how would you go about lifting the things?
Frank
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| 144.6 | Bigger=Better | AD::GIBSON | Lobst'a Ayah | Tue Sep 13 1988 09:03 | 32 |
| Frank.
I hope that your 250 lb mooring is a mushroom anchor? If not you'll
be in for a nasty suprise some day. The typical chunk of concreat
or granite mooring for a 25 ft boat should be at least 1000 to 1500
pounds. Deepending on the bottom composition of the harbor. ie:
If it's a muck bottom, well sheltered and you have a large dia.
mooring . The suction created will hold the boat. If it's a ledge
bottom your mooring block had better be big!
My rule of thumb- I want a mooring block that wieghs as much as
my boat. ie: 10,000 lb boat= 10,000 lb block = Just right and happy!
re: Moving large solid objects in water is " No Problem" . The wieght
is neutrilized by the bouyancy of air in lift bags, In effect making
the object wieghtless. It can then be moved wherever with very little
effort. REmember the storys of Icebergs being towed to Arabia with
tug boats?
Anyway "Holding Power" is what your after in a anchor, The reason
that you use all that chain is not for its wieght, It's for leverage
to get a bight on the anchor tangs. Same with a mooring. If you
have a mushroom anchor , it sinks into the muck and is dam near
impossible to move.
Lets just hope that the Hurricane off florida doesn't try our anchoring
prowness, I would have to get a mooring set up pronto or have the
boat hauled for the year, It's too early for that. The Slip's I'm
on wouldn't hold a rowboat in a storm and I don't want to loose
a new boat.
Hope all this handy info helps? Walt
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| 144.7 | What are the chances I can pull it on my own? | FSDEV1::JGUNNERSON | JLG | Fri May 11 1990 11:37 | 34 |
| Re. "If you have a mushroom anchor , it sinks into the muck and is dam
near impossible to move."
This worries me. I have a 150 pound mushroom anchor in Pleasant Bay on
Cape Cod, currently attached to a winter stick. I want to move it� and
wonder how difficult it would be to pull up on my own. I worry that
I'll launch my boat, cruise over to the mooring, won't be able to get
it up. Then I'll be stuck with a boat in the water I really can't moor
at the old location (told harbor master I wasn't renewing my permit
there), can't moor at the new spot (because the mooring is still stuck
at the old location), and can't really can't haul out since I promised
the condo association that the boat would be off the grounds by
Memorial day weekend.
I don't have my chart with me, but I don't believe that the bottom
is muck/mud/mire. Pleasant Bay in that area (at least at the shoreline
and as deep as you can walk) is gravel to sandy bottomed. Gravel
ranging in size from � inch to 4 inch size stones.
Anyone have any experience with pulling up a similiar mooring from
a similiar area? Should I just pay someone to do it? BTW - after
spending as much as I have this spring on getting the boat ready
"just pay" is not as simple as it sounds.
Thanks,
John
�See note #546 (Sea Ray on the Rocks) for one of the big reasons
for finding another mooring. New location, Ryder Cove in Chatham,
is better for many other reasons too, and would have been my first
choice in that area last year had I known I could get in there.
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| 144.8 | I can be done - even in mud! | STAFF::CHACE | is it getting warmer? | Fri May 11 1990 12:32 | 36 |
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If the bottom is as you think, you may not have a bad time.
Can you *see* the anchor? If you can, you may be able to tell
by looking if it is sunk into the bottom.
Anyway, try just pulling it up. That's not really as easy as it
sounds. You have to get *straight* above it with whatever you are
pulling it with (your arms?). You can't expect to reach out over
a 1' deck and then pull it straight up - you have no leverage when
you reach out. IF you can pull it fairly straight up, you'll probably
need at *least* 2 if not 3 pretty strong people to do it.
If it *doesn't* come up easily, or you *know* it has sunk in a
little, you can do this:
Attach a good line to it and then to the transom rings
on your boat and pull it fairly hard in several different directions.
The idea is not to actually drag it anywhere (although you might
want to anyway) the idea is to rock it back and forth to break the
suction with the bottom. Make SURE that whatever you attach the
rope to is VERY strong. Usually cleats are NOT nearly as strong
as transom rings - so you should use those.
Once you have rocked it some, try pulling it up again. There may
*always* be a little suction with the bottom, which may be just
enough to keep you (and your friends) from getting it up.
If it *still* won't come up, but you WERE able to rock it well,
you can attach a come-a-long to it and a transom ring and try to
break it free with that. The best way, is to crank on the come-a-
long until the boat gets pulled down about 6". Let it sit like that
for a while (letting the boat's boyancy pull the anchor free). You
can even have everyone go to the other end of the boat to increase
the pull.
Kenny
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| 144.9 | Sounds like it may be worth the proverbial college try | JLGVS::GUNNERSON | | Fri May 11 1990 14:51 | 13 |
| I haven't seen the mushroom anchor, though that doesn't mean you can't. Usually
when I cam at the mooring the water is too deep and/or rough to peer down to it.
I haven't been out to it yet this year to investigate. I don't know if you can
see it at low water or not. I've lost my facemask, so maybe now is a good time
to find something to peer underwater with.
Thanks for the ideas. One problem is that I am not likely to 2 or 3 strong
friends to do this with. Something I thought of was to use the power winch from
my trailer to aid in lifting. A couple of problems I image are 1. burning out
the power winch, 2. mounting it to the boat solidly enough to use, and 3 not
being able to shut it
off and having it drag the boat under :-)
john
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| 144.10 | | WEDOIT::JOYCE | | Fri May 11 1990 15:22 | 12 |
| Here's the way I've moved moorings in the past;
Plan doing it at low tide, pull all the rope you can so you can
reach the chain. Run a � inch rope through a chain link as far
underwater as you can reach. Now you have a doubled-up rope to
tie off to the strong bit on your bow. Wait for the tide to come
in and lift the mooring. If you have problems, you can untie or
cut the �" rope.
Good luck
Steve
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| 144.11 | I have also heard of using the tide to help you | STAFF::CHACE | is it getting warmer? | Fri May 11 1990 15:25 | 8 |
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Re .10
Just make SURE you use ROPE! And DON'T take a nap!!! :^) :^)
Kenny
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| 144.12 | Could Use Plastic Barrels | WJOUSM::MILLS | Intriguing | Fri May 11 1990 16:08 | 15 |
| I have never done this, but just thinking of using the boat would make
me very nervous. I would be concerned about doing damage to what ever
I tied the line off to - like pulling the eye out.
If this was mine - I would probably pick up a couple of plastic barrels
and use some 2X6's to make a small raft. Then the technique in .10 can
be used with no risk. You also could use a block and tackle or come-along
to pull it up. This technique would be good for transport by water is
the distance doesn't prohibit.
I'm not sure but I would think the barrels would provide enough
buoyancy to float it.
Good luck,
Rich
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| 144.13 | $50 to have it hauled and placed VS possible personal/boat injury | JLGVS::GUNNERSON | | Fri May 11 1990 16:19 | 16 |
| I know I said that $$ were going to be hard to come by. One place was talking
about $80 to haul and $80 to place it. Total $160! A seasoned mooring puller
just called me back with a quote of $50 total to haul it out and place it in
the new placed. Although $50 is $50 this doesn't sound too bad as it means that
all my worries and concerns are taken care of for a reasonable amount that while
it won't be easy to cough up is an amount that won't break the bank like $160
would! This way it will be done with no risk on my part, the mooring will be in
place so when I launch my boat next weekend it will be all set and ready for me.
Of course I'll be P.O.'d if I see him just lift it off the bottom with no sweat.
But I think we really dug it in last year, so I don't know.
Whether I use your suggestions or not remains to be seen, but even if don't the
information you've provided will be useful for the next reader.
john
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| 144.14 | Use power and "wind" it out. | BIZNIS::CADMUS | | Mon May 14 1990 15:38 | 46 |
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I'VE GOT A 100# Mushroom that I haul every year- in a soft bottom.
Getting it out is easy once you break it loose from the bottom.
If it is stuck in the bottom- I would be VERY wary of using the
buoyancy of the boat to lift it. MY solution is something my dad showed
me- if you have a calm day and a reasonable amount of power-
I am in 12' of water and have 30' of 1/2" chain gouing to the float.
take a nice heavy 1/2" nylon line abpout 25' long from the bow cleat to
the end of the mooring chain attached to the float.
I then get my boat (a 22' Power boat) so that the line to the mooring
is under tension and at about a 45 degree angle toward the stern of the
Boat. When I apply power5 and go forward, the mushroom is "rotated "
witha side thrust and is also lifted. AFter a couple of turns, the
mushroom lifts out. --can ususlaly feel it drag- I then haul it up
with a couple of deck hands, , secure it over the side with a lne and
undo the float and chain.
I motor up toward shore and drop the mushroom over the side-
since I do this at high tide- at low tide there is the mushroom
standing up staright- we wade out and carry it ashore.
I've seen this done with up to 200# mushrooms- once you get them loose
from the bottom, they can ususlaly be lifted or floated up the rest of
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