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Digital has a firewall installed to separate them from the net. You need a
password to successfully telnet to the outside. I'll try FTPing the file and
email it to you.

CM

    Thanks for the information, if you have any success FTPing, please let
    me know how you did it, because I think the file updates each week.
    
    Thanks
    
    Paula

I use Mosaic to "cruise the 'net" and the format of the pointer you gave is
exactly what that wants. I was unable to get in but I've been having trouble
with other pointers today that normally work so I'll just retry later. BTW: that
pointer was actually a directory so I expect it's more than one file (or perhaps
there's dated files archived there) so it might be more involved.

There are email agents that you can send FTP requests to that will email you
back the files/information. I don't have any of that information handy but it
might be another way to do it in the future.

CM

    
    
Here's what I was able to pull over from ftp://fwux.fedworld.gov. My
    commands looked like this:
    
    FTP FTP-GW.CRL.DEC.COM 1555
    username: [email protected]
    password: [email protected]
    FTP> cd /pub/jobs
    FTP> get 00_index.txt
    
JOBS Library

File Name    Size  Date     Description
============ ===== ======== =================================================
ABOUTJOB.TXT  3.4K 01/17/95 About the Job Announcement Files on FedWorld
                            This file contains information about where we
                            get the job announcement files, how often they
                            are updated and other hints.
AK.TXT         22K 01/30/95 Alaska Job Announcements
AL.TXT         49K 01/30/95 Alabama Job Announcements
ALL.ZIP       174K 01/30/95 All jobs files compacted into one file.
AR.TXT         41K 01/30/95 Arkansas Job Announcements
AREAOFF.LST   6.4K 12/02/93 OPM area offices nationwide
ATLANTA.ZIP    26K 01/30/95 Atlanta OPM regional Fed. Jobs
AV.TXT        4.3K 01/30/95 Atlantic Overseas Job Announcements
AZ.TXT         59K 01/30/95 Arizona Job Announcements
CA.TXT         76K 01/30/95 California Job Announecments
CE-26.TXT      10K 03/19/92 Placement Assistance for Fed Employees
CE-57.TXT      13K 03/19/92 RIF Benefits Guide for Fed Employees
CHICAGO.ZIP    28K 01/30/95 Chicago OPM regional Fed. Jobs
CLAIM5PT.TXT  1.8K 12/17/93 Accepting 5pt Vet Pref. Before Separation
CLIN-VET.TXT  7.5K 11/24/93 Clinton-Gore Position Paper on vets issues
CO.TXT         70K 01/30/95 Colorado Job Announcements
CT.TXT         57K 01/30/95 Connecticut Job Announcements
DALLAS.ZIP     26K 01/30/95 Dallas OPM regional Fed. Jobs
DC.TXT        333K 01/30/95 Washington D.C. Job Announcements
DE.TXT         39K 01/30/95 Delaware Job Announcements
DISABREG.TXT  2.4K 10/19/93 How Disabled Vets Register Works in D.C. Area
FJOLWASH.ZIP   48K 01/30/95 Washington DC OPM regional Fed. Jobs
FL.TXT         55K 01/30/95 Florida Job Announcements
GA.TXT         57K 01/30/95 Georgia Job Announcements
GANDER10.ZIP   44K 02/01/94 Use This Windows Text Viewer to Offline Search
                            This shareware Windows text viewer is good for
                            searching the job announcement files once you
                            have downloaded a file to your computer.  Use
                            PKZ204G.EXE to uncompress.
HCPD.LTR      2.3K 12/02/93 How Personnel W/ Disabilities apply for Federal
                            Positions.
HI.TXT         20K 01/30/95 Hawaii Job Announcements
IA.TXT         38K 01/30/95 Iowa Job Announcements
ID.TXT         37K 01/30/95 Idaho Job Announcements
IL.TXT         61K 01/30/95 Illinois Job Announcements
IN.TXT         48K 01/30/95 Indiana Job Announcements
JOBBANK.TXT   2.0K 03/19/92 Interstate Job Bank-Dept of Labor
JOBS.LST      8.3K 01/30/95 List of all files in the JOBS Library
JRDVC.TXT     6.9K 07/29/93 FPM Bull on Computer Referral, Disab Vet
KS.TXT         42K 01/30/95 Kansas Job Announcements
KY.TXT         43K 01/30/95 Kentucky Job Announcements
LA.TXT         51K 01/30/95 Louisiana Job Announcements
LIST552.ZIP   8.7K 04/09/93 Use This DOS Text File Viewer to Offline Search
                            You can use this shareware program to view and
                            search a job announcement file that you have
                            downloaded to your computer.  Use PKZ204G.EXE
                            to uncompress this file.
MA.TXT         50K 01/30/95 Massachusettes Job Announcements
MD.TXT         95K 01/30/95 Maryland Job Announcements
ME.TXT         42K 01/30/95 Maine Job Announcements
MI.TXT         52K 01/30/95 Michigan Job Announcements
MN.TXT         42K 01/30/95 Minnesota Job Announcements
MO.TXT         70K 01/30/95 Missouri Job Announcements
MS.TXT         43K 01/30/95 Mississippi Job Announcements
MT.TXT         42K 01/30/95 Montana Job Announcements
NC.TXT         53K 01/30/95 North Carolina Job Announcements
ND.TXT         45K 01/30/95 North Dakota Job Announcements
NE.TXT         40K 01/30/95 Nebraska Job Announcements
NH.TXT         41K 01/30/95 New Hampshire Job Announcements
NJ.TXT         52K 01/30/95 New Jersey Job Announcements
NM.TXT         50K 01/30/95 New Mexico Job Annoucements
NTISJOBS       17K 11/07/94 Want to Work on the FedWorld Team?  Read This!
NV.TXT         37K 01/30/95 Nevada Job Announcements
NY.TXT         62K 01/30/95 New York Job Announcements
OF510.DOS      11K 11/03/94 Applying for a Federal Job - Text File
OF510.WP       13K 11/03/94 Applying for a Federal Job - WordPerfect File
OF_612.DOS     15K 11/03/94 OPTIONAL APPLICATION FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT (TXT)
                            (OF 612 -- Form Approved: OMB No. 3206-021)
                            You may apply for most jobs with a resume,
                            this form, or other written format.  If your
                            resume or application does not provide all the
                            information requested on this form and in the
                            job vacancy announcement, you may lose
                            consideration for a job.  Text file version.
OF_612.WP      17K 11/03/94 OPTIONAL APPLICATION FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT (WP)
                            (OF 612 -- Form Approved: OMB No. 3206-021)
                            You may apply for most jobs with a resume,
                            this form, or other written format.  If your
                            resume or application does not provide all the
                            information requested on this form and in the
                            job vacancy announcement, you may lose
                            consideration for a job.  WordPerfect Version.
OH.TXT         58K 01/30/95 Ohio Job Announcements
OK.TXT         52K 01/30/95 Oklahoma Job Announcements
OR.TXT         44K 01/30/95 Oregon Job Announcements
PA.TXT         72K 01/30/95 Pennsylvania Job Announcements
PC.TXT        7.2K 01/30/95 Pacific Overseas Job Announcements
PHILLY.ZIP     25K 01/30/95 Philadelphia OPM regional Fed. Jobs
PHSJOBS.TXT    72K 01/25/95 Public Health Service jobs text file for 01/23/95
                            File includes FDA, IHS, HRSA, OASH, SAMHSA, AHCPR
                            and the NIH. COMPRESSED FILE IS PHSJOBS.ZIP.
                            KEYWORDS=FDA,NIH,JOBS
PHSJOBS.ZIP    13K 01/25/95 Public Health Service jobs w/NIH. WEEK=01/23/95.
                            File is compressed with PKZIP and includes two
                            text files: PHSJOBS.TXT AND NIHJOBS.TXT.  All NIH
                            jobs are included with this file as well as FDA,
                            IHS, OASH, SAMHSA, HRSA, AHCPR in the PHS file.
                            KEYWORDS=FDA,NIH,JOBS
PKZ204G.EXE   198K 02/13/93 Latest version of Pkzip (version 2.04G).
                            This is a compression, decompression software
                            package for files.
PPP.TXT        10K 03/19/92 DoD's Priority Placement Program
PR.TXT        7.3K 01/30/95 Puerto Rico Job Announcements
RI.TXT         51K 01/30/95 Rhode Island Job Announcements
SANFRAN.ZIP    18K 01/30/95 San Francisco OPM regional Fed. Jobs
SC.TXT         38K 01/30/95 South Carolina Job Announcements
SD.TXT         41K 01/30/95 South Dakota Job Announcements
SESLIST.TXT    37K 01/18/95 SES Vacancy Announcement
SF.TXT        102K 01/30/95 San Francisco Region Job Announcements
SF171V12.ZIP  596K 01/31/94 SF171 for Win 3.* use win write for install info
SOMALIA.VP    1.1K 12/02/93 Veteran preferance for Somalia Vets.
STATUS.ZIP    130K 03/31/94 Merit Promotion (Status) Jobs
TELECOMM.UTE  5.3K 08/25/93 Text File for Feds on Telecommuting
TN.TXT         41K 01/30/95 Tennessee Job Announcements
TRAINING      2.0K 12/02/93 Training program (Wordperfect)
TX.TXT         91K 01/30/95 Texas Job Announcements
UT.TXT         39K 01/30/95 Utah Job Announcements
VA.TXT         64K 01/30/95 Virginia Job Announcements
VETBRIEF.TXT  2.1K 01/06/94 Sites in D.C. Metro Area-Veteran Briefings
VETMAN.TXT     56K 02/09/94 Veterans Manual (Page 5 Revised) ASCII TXT
VETMAN.WP      55K 02/09/94 Veterans Manual (Page 5 Revised) WP 5.1 Ver.
VI.TXT        8.0K 01/30/95 Virgin Islands Job Announcements
VT.TXT         41K 01/30/95 Vermont Job Announcements
WA.TXT         45K 01/30/95 Washington State Job Announcements
WI.TXT         44K 01/30/95 Wisconsin Job Announcements
WIDEAREA.ZIP  3.5K 01/30/95 National Fed. Jobs (Not all files)
WV.TXT         43K 01/30/95 West Virginia Job Announcements
WY.TXT         45K 01/30/95 Wyoming Job Announcements
                         

Good deal. I still can't get out through pa.dec.com

    
    
    	yeah, the net's been flukey today....
    
    
    

    Thanks for sending me the file from reply 4.  How can I get individual
    files listed, there are certain states I would like to see the file
    for.  How can I get those individual files?
    
    Thanks for your efforts
    
    Paula

    
    
    	If you're having trouble getting FTP to work correctly, I'll be
    glad to pull the individual files for you. Just let me know which ones
    you want and I'll pull them across and mail them to you.
    
    
    chico

    Hi,
    
    Thanks it would be great if you could pull some of the files.  I think
    that most of the files would be too large to send as a mail though. 
    But you could copy them onto the Default DECNET account of TRUCKS::.
    
    but if you want to send them as mail, could you send them as VAXMAIL to 
    TRUCKS::BOYLAN_P, as I have more room on that account.
    
      I don't understand what these ZIP files are, do you?  Because there is
    one file which says it is all the jobs files compacted into one file. 
    That would be the easiest, but how does one "UNZIP" it?  Below I have
    listed all the files I am interested in, please just pull which ones
    you can, if and when it is convenient, I figured I would list my "WISH
    LIST" :  If you can get the ALL.ZIP file which should have all the jobs
    in it, then I would want that file, plus the ones I have marked as
    important.
    
    ABOUTJOB.TXT;  (THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT)
    ALL.ZIP; (see note above)
    ATLANTA.ZIP;
    AV.TXT;
    DC.TXT;
    FJOLWASH.ZIP;
    GA.TXT;
    HI.TXT;
    MA.TXT;
    MD.TXT;
    NTISJOBS  (this one is important)
    IF510.DOS; (THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT)
    OF_612.DOS;
    PC.TXT;
    PHSJOBS.TXT;
    SC.TXT;
    VA.TXT;
    VI.TXT;
    
    Thanks for helping
    
    Paula

    Hello,
    
    Guess what?  I have actually been able to pull the files myself.  I was
    typing something wrong, but now I am actually able to see the files. 
    The only problem I am having now is the ZIP files, any ideas on how to
    UNZIP this?
    
    Thanks
    
    Paula

    
    
    	I'll send you VMS UNZIP to unzip the files with. It's an exe file
    so I'll have to send it with the /foreign flag. Just extract it, make a
    symbol for it in your login.com, and run it likes this:
    
    $ unzip all.zip;
    
    where unzip is
    
    UNZIP	:== $[BOYLAN_P]UNZIP.EXE;
    
    
    let me know if you have any problems.
    
    chico

    Hello,
    
    Thanks for the UNZIP file, it took some time but I got it to work, I
    had to copy the files though as binary files first, then it worked.
    
    I can't believe how many government jobs there are!!!! and it is
    updated everyday, with positions of all types in every state, the
    Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, etc.... I just wonder how difficult it is
    to get one though.  Does anyone have any experience in getting a
    federal government job?
    
    Paula

    
    
    	>	I just wonder how difficult it is
>    to get one though.  Does anyone have any experience in getting a
>    federal government job?
    
    	considering some of the buffoons we have in government, I'd say
    anyone can get a federal job.....;*)
    
    

    What amazes me is we have this high unemployment in the US, the
    taxpayers are paying out all this money for unemployment, and there are
    literally thousands of jobs listed in the federal government job
    book!!!
    
    Buffoons is too kind a word!
    
    Paula

    
    
    	>    What amazes me is we have this high unemployment in the US, the
>    taxpayers are paying out all this money for unemployment, and there are
>    literally thousands of jobs listed in the federal government job
>    book!!!
    
    	Why bother working when you can make twice the money on welfare?
    There's no such thing as pride with some people...
    
    
    chico

>    	Why bother working when you can make twice the money on welfare?
>    There's no such thing as pride with some people...
    
unfortunately, some people take pride in taking advantage of the system.
Hopefully, Workfare or what ever you waqnt to call it, will match some of those
able bodies with some of the jobs that need to be done.

I think it's a shame when they b!tch about raising the minimum wage and it STILL
wouldn't be comparable to what welfare would pay.

    re: last few.  
    
    Actually, Welfare doesn't pay as much as you might like to think.  For a 
    single parent with one child, Welfare only alots you $486/mo, $151 (or 
    right around there) in food stamps and your health benefits are paid for.  
    Try living on that kind of money.
    
    I know because I've been there, and believe me, it's no picnic.
    
    Lori B.  

I know it's no picnic but I have an 18 year old trying to make it and he's in a
minimum wage job where he can bring about $160 per 40 hour week home BUT his
employer won't schedule more than 32 hours per week so he doesn't have to give
fulltime benefits such as healthcare. I would have a lot less of a problem with
the benefits given out if they would subsidize the lower end jobs to bring them
in line as well. I don't feel anyone should be forced to live below the poverty
level and don't feel workers should be penalized for taking a job.

4 weeks x ~$130/wk = $520/mo 520-486 = $34 for making the effort to support
himself.

As for welfare, he'd have to go out and have a kid to qualify... but that's
another warped feature of the system.

CM

    HI,
    
    I tried to go into the fedworld.gov file again today (to look at the
    updates) and I typed the login procedures the same but I keep getting
    an error saying the login is incorrect after I type my password details
    in.  Any clues what has changed?  The password sequence I am using is:
    
    [email protected]
    
    Thanks
    
    Paula

    
    
    re: welfare
    
    	If you take free govt housing, on top of what they give you a
    month, on top of foodstamps, on top of allowances for extra children,
    you can do pretty well. I often wonder how the folks in Great Brook
    Valley pay for those hopped up BMW's (of course, I'm sure it's more
    drug money than welfare money).
    
    re: net problems
    
    	I'll try to log in and let you know....
    
    
    chico

    Chico,
    
    Do you know how difficult it is to get free housing?  There's a five
    year (at least that's what it was last time I checked) waiting list to
    get on "Section 8".  The only way to be put on the top of that list is
    to be homeless, i.e. living in the street or a shelter.  Then once
    you're on "Section 8" you have to find an apartment that is "Section 8"
    approved.  Then you're not guaranteed that they'll pay the full rent. 
    It goes according to the area in which you live.  For instance, if
    they'll allow $700/mo for a two bedroom apartment in the Framingham
    area and you can find a suitable, "section 8" approved apartment for
    that amount, then they'll pay the whole thing.  But if the apartment
    that you find is more than $700, you pay the difference.
    
    Lori B. 

    
    
    	I know not everyone is living high off the hog on welfare Lori, but
    alot of folks abuse the system. My mother-in-law was on welfare for a
    few years while she went to college (she was recently divorced, had two
    kids,etc), but as soon as she was working she came off welfare. She's
    more than repaid her debt to society over the years.
    
    	I just don't like seeing the chronic welfare recipients. The ones
    who get welfare, and their kids get welfare, and their grandkids get
    welfare etc.....
    
    chico
    
    p.s. - let's drop this rathole...we're way off topic here. :)
    

    
    
    
    hey, anyone of us could get to that point of being homeless &
    on Welfare, all welfare should be is for the Elderly & kids.
    OR those in dire need. You right it is no picnic.....
    
    

    RE .23
    
    Good point!
    
    Don