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Conference 7.286::space

Title:Space Exploration
Notice:Shuttle launch schedules, see Note 6
Moderator:PRAGMA::GRIFFIN
Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:974
Total number of notes:18843

272.0. "A Significant Contrast" by PHENIX::JSTONE () Wed Mar 25 1987 18:33

    
         I could not help being discouraged by the reading in the past
    week's AWAST concerning the progress (or lack thereof) with the
    SRB fix and test schedule, the discovery of some potentially 
    serious SSME problems, and the contrasting reports of the Soviet
    static firing of their HLV and shuttle launch vehicle.  To add
    icing on the cake, MIR becomes further operational.  The positive
    news is the reinforcement of safety management at KSC for launch
    countdowns.
    
         I hadn't seen any comment, here and I was wondering if anyone
    else feels as I do.
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272.1It's all relative15704::DLONGEx-Priest; Temple of Syrinx.Thu Mar 26 1987 10:306
    The contrast can be expressed mostly in dollars [rubles?].
    
    Reagan once said that the American public spends more on pizza [$9b]
    than they do on the space program [$6b at the time]
    
    Does anyone have the figures for what the Soviets spend?
272.2MONSTR::HUGHESGary HughesThu Mar 26 1987 12:3419
    The Soviets usually don't publish such things :-)
    
    They do not seperate their military and civilian space programs
    so it would be very hard to compare unless you rolled US military
    space spending into your your figure (and they spend more than NASA
    does).
    
    I think it is more than just dollars. The Soviets seem to be more
    capable of working towards a long term goal in space than the US.
    They are certainly not as subject to the amazing shortsightedness
    of the general public and their elected officials as NASA is. As
    I have said elsewhere, the Russians are also more inclined to use
    existing technologies when appropriate while NASA seems determined
    to invent new wheels at every opportunity.
    
    However, I suspect the main reason is that Russian pizza isn't as good
    as American pizza.
    
    gary 
272.3Soviet/US expendituresCAADC::MARSHJeffrey Marsh, DTN 474-5739Thu Mar 26 1987 22:0115
    It is very difficult to compare what the Soviets spend on something
    to what the U.S. spends on the same thing.  In the U.S. labor is
    relatively expensive and equipment relatively cheap.  But in the Soviet
    Union labor is relatively cheap and equipment is expensive.  So even
    if they did publish what they spent, the comparison wouldn't mean much.

    I think it is pretty clear, however, that they are spending a bundle.
    I am reminded of something Arthur C. Clarke wrote:

        May 29, 1965:
        Soviet Air Attache visited set [of 2001].  He looked at all the
        little instruction plaques on the spaceship panels and said,
        with a straight face, "You realize of course, that these should
        all be in Russian."

272.42010 did it rightVMSDEV::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Fri Mar 27 1987 12:184
    Clarke learned his lesson and fixed the labels in 2010!  :-)
    
    Burns
    
272.51 Billion + my estimateIMNAUT::BIROMon Mar 30 1987 09:2026
    to give an idea of the $ that the CCCP is spending try this
    in 1986 the CCCP had 103 mission to reach earth orbit of which
    91 carried 114 payloads,
    now consider this
    the CCCP is offering the following launcher 
    Proton launch  $24 Million
    Soyuz launcher (SL4) can be purchased for only $10 - $12 Million
    
    even if all were only $10 Million units
    $10 e-6 * 103 = 1.03 Billion
    now change 10 or so for a Proton launch units so add anoter 120 Million
    oh yes if the launch fails you go for half fare next time
                                                     
    about 30 percent were Photographic Reconnaissance
    about 25 percent were Communications
    about 10 percent were Electronic Intelligence
    about 10 percent were Navigation/Geodesy
    about  8 percent were Early Warning
    about  5 percent were man-related
    rest  22 percent were meteorlogy/remote sensing, minor military,
                     scientific or unknown     about equal share of
                     the 22 percent or 5 percent eacht
    
    jb