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Conference 7.286::space

Title:Space Exploration
Notice:Shuttle launch schedules, see Note 6
Moderator:PRAGMA::GRIFFIN
Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:974
Total number of notes:18843

263.0. "The Torque/Thrust Converter" by EDEN::KLAES (Fleeing the Cylon Tyranny.) Fri Feb 27 1987 10:43

           I found this in today's VOGON News, and it sounds very
          interesting; any opinions? 


VNS Letters to the Editor:
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From: Clarence J. Mouton ...................................... Bedford, MA, USA

Dear Readers of VNS,

    A question that I proposed on November 7, 1986, returned some very
interesting responses. 

    The question: If you, or anyone you know, developed a device that,
in itself was not a threat to anyone, that could protect against a
variety of "conventional" attacks, and be used as well to do a great
justice to mankind. But if abused, could disable or destroy another
country WITHOUT destroying your own, would you: (A) Hand it to your
government; (B) Try to venture on your own, and make a profit; (C)
Made sure everyone knows about it; (D) Forget it, too much risk. 

    The question came up because of a dilemma that came up in my life.
I have been working on a personal project (which DEC has released to
me) for the past 3 years. It's called a Torque/Thrust converter. It
converts centrifugal torque energy from ANY source to Kinetic thrust.
The efficiency of my design is approximately 90-95%, and can be built
with commonly available materials. It is non-explosive, but can be
used to carry such. It can be used in transportation. It can also be
used to build renegade satellites from your back yard that could be
used to push existing satellites out of the sky. Constant velocity
physics experiments could be developed to experiment with time and
velocity in relationship to the speed of light. Since it is a constant
velocity device, it will accelerate as long as the power source holds
out. 

    Needless to say, to do (B), you need capital, which I haven't got.
To do (A) would be a waste, because it can do so much good.  (It may
be locked up and classified as 'top secret'.)  (C) is easiest, but
there is the credibility factor, as well as someone with capital could
steal it, negating (B). (D), in my opinion, is a cop-out.(Why work on
something to throw it away?) I would rather risk someone 'stealing'
it, than to sit on it. So, I'm opting for (C). 
    
    Also, If anyone out there knows of someone working along the same
lines, please let me know. Sorry about the long windedness. 14
responses: 3=(D); 1=(C); 3=(B); 1=(ABC); 1=(AB); 1=(CD); 1= none of
the above; 3= don't understand the question. 

    Thank you for your time.

[Ed:  Replies directly to Clarence at FSTVAX::MOUTON please.  MC]


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263.1my thoughts...CHEV02::MARSHJeffrey Marsh, DTN 474-5739Fri Feb 27 1987 13:1424
>   in itself was not a threat to anyone, that could protect against a
>   variety of "conventional" attacks, and be used as well to do a great
>   justice to mankind. But if abused, could disable or destroy another
>   country WITHOUT destroying your own, would you: (A) Hand it to your

    I find it a contradiction that something could be "not
    a threat to anyone" and at the same time be capable of destroying
    another country.
    
>   used to build renegade satellites from your back yard that could be
>   used to push existing satellites out of the sky. Constant velocity
>   physics experiments could be developed to experiment with time and
>   velocity in relationship to the speed of light. Since it is a constant

    No details of how the thing works are provided, but I am *very*
    skeptical that something that you could build in your back yard
    could accelerate things close to the speed of light (or even launch
    satellites for that matter).
    
>   I have been working on a personal project (which DEC has released to
>   me) for the past 3 years. It's called a Torque/Thrust converter. It

    For some reason I am not at all surprised that DEC has "released"
    this project.  I am tentatively filing this matter under "crackpots."
263.2CACHE::MARSHALLhunting the snarkFri Feb 27 1987 17:2541
    isn't a TORQUE/THRUST converter a commercially available device
    that usually attaches between an internal combustion engine and
    an automatic transmission?
    
    If this guy is talking about some form of "reactionless" drive
    (anyone who calls torque centrifugal force, creates immediate
    skepticism in me.) Then there is a "good" book he should read called
    _How_to_build_a_Flying_Saucer_ that is just chock full of such ideas.
    
    re .1:
    
    I'm not sure what "in itself is not a threat to anyone". Any inanimate
    object is not "in itself" a threat to anyone, including nuclear bombs.
    Only creatures can threaten. Is a steak-knife "in itself" a threat?
    
    Is steel "in itself" a threat? If you are a bronze age warrior facing
    steel swords you may well consider steel to be a "dangerous"       
    technology.                                                        
    
    In short the whole preamble to the question is irrelevant, just
    about any new invention could be described by those criteria. Thus
    the question comes down to:
    
    If you or someone you know invented something, would you:
    
    	A) hand it to the government.
    	B) try to market it for profit.
    	C) made sure everyone knew about it.
    	D) drop it, too much risk.          
    
    first, I don't see these choices as mutually exclusive. specifically
    (B) and (C).
    
    Anyway, what I would do is patent it, woo some venture capitalists,
    and crank up the production lines.
                                                   
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263.3I vote for crackpotBEING::MCCARTHYSun Mar 01 1987 19:045
People at DEC are constantly inventing and re-inventing devices which
convert torque into linear motion (aka wheels) :-)

						-Brian