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Conference 7.286::space

Title:Space Exploration
Notice:Shuttle launch schedules, see Note 6
Moderator:PRAGMA::GRIFFIN
Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:974
Total number of notes:18843

230.0. "CHALLENGER the Scapegoat?" by VINO::DZIEDZIC () Thu Nov 13 1986 11:37

    Anyone noticed a disturbing trend lately where opponents of anything
    from nuclear power to SDI are pointing at the Challenger disaster
    and using it as an example of how high tech can't be dependable?
    I must have seen several letters to the editor and editorials in
    various local newspapers lately drawing this conclusion.
    
    Has everyone forgotten already the root cause of the disaster was
    launching when the parameters were outside known experience and
    qualification?  Or is it just the fact the media never made that
    reason for the disaster clear?
    
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230.1LuddismCACHE::MARSHALLhunting the snarkThu Nov 13 1986 12:0315
    This "disturbing trend" has existed for all time. The Challenger
    accident is just the most recent example for people to point at.
    Remember TMI? Actually Chernobyl eclipsed Challenger for a while
    but I think these modern day Luddites would rather point to a failure
    of Western technology.
    
    It does not matter to these people what the cause really was,
    to them the "cause" is technology itself. 
    
                                                   
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230.2Challenger is a useful exampleSKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Thu Nov 13 1986 13:3413
    I don't think pointing to Challenger as an example is, in and of
    itself, bad.
    
    Challenger does point out a technological fact of life, writ large:
    Things will fail.  The point to me is that we can't say, as NASA
    did, the SRBs will not fail.  Or the cooling pumps will not fail.
    Or whatever.  The real question to be asked is What is the result
    of an unpredicted failure?  Is it 7 lives and $3B?  Is it 10**6
    lives?  Is it our whole civilization?
    
    Burns
    
    
230.3an example of what?CACHE::MARSHALLhunting the snarkThu Nov 13 1986 15:2921
    re .2:
    
    True, it depends on the motivation of those using Challenger as
    an example. And as an example of what? 
    
    I don't think the author of .0 is disturbed by people pointing out
    that technology is not perfect. What would be disturbing is the
    conclusion that because technology is not perfect, it should then
    be abandoned. 
    
    I don't think NASA said the SRB's would NOT fail, they just decided
    to take the risk of them failing and lost.
    
    The disturbing trend is the condemnation of technology in general
    for its failures, without even acknowledging its successes.
                                                   
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230.4SKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Wed Nov 19 1986 12:5520
    re .3:  I understand what you are saying.  I think my point is that
    I am not disturbed by a statement of the ilk of "We should not build
    Seabrook.  Technology can fail.  Look at Challenger.  It shows that
    such failures can happen.  Space research should forge ahead because
    the cost of a failure is acceptable in the grand scheme of things.
    Seabrook should not because the cost of failure is not acceptable."
    
    You can see where my politics lie here, but I am only using it as an
    example. I don't object to anyone arguing that the cost of failure at
    Seabrook is acceptable.  I just don't believe that pointing to
    technology that fails is being anti-technology.
    
    Burns
    
    
    (BTW, for non-New England readers, Seabrook is a new nuclear power
    plant which is nearly completed on the New Hampshire seacoast. 
    There are lots of fights going on about whether it should be licensed.)