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Conference 7.286::space

Title:Space Exploration
Notice:Shuttle launch schedules, see Note 6
Moderator:PRAGMA::GRIFFIN
Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:974
Total number of notes:18843

201.0. "Rogers Commission Reports" by LATOUR::DZIEDZIC () Thu Aug 07 1986 14:12

    The full set of reports from the Rogers Comission is now
    available from the U.S. Government Printing Office.  The
    ordering info is below; volumes 2&3 and 4&5 will be in
    stock sometime around the 10th of August.
    
    	Vol I	040-000-00496-3		$18.00
    	Vol II
    	Vol III	040-000-00503-0		$40.00/set for vols 2 & 3
    	Vol IV
    	Vol V	040-000-00504-8		$47.00/set for vols 4 & 5
    
    	U.S. Government Printing Office
    	Washington, DC  20402
    	(202) 783-3238
    
    They accept Visa and Mastercard for telephone orders.
    
    You can also buy these at U.S. GPO offices around the country
    (I believe there is one in Boston?).  Mail order is pretty fast
    if the documents are in stock (about 4 days).
    
    Happy reading!
    
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201.1Public Library?SKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Fri Aug 08 1986 11:426
    Has anyone contacted his/her local librarian about obtaining these
    volumes for the public library?  I'd be interested in hearing about
    results.  I am planning to ask at the Nashua library.
    
    Burns
    
201.2Let us knowMARY::LEKASTony LekasMon Aug 11 1986 15:554
Let us know if they get them.  I have the first volume but I
can't see paying for the other two.

	Tony 
201.3AW&ST Editorial Reprints availablePRAGMA::GRIFFINDave GriffinMon Aug 11 1986 20:0520
    AW&ST is also offering reprints of thier coverage of the accident:
    
    130 pages, full-color reprint spanning the 14 weeks from the
    accident up to now I guess.  Price $9.95, plus local tax.
    
    Aviation Week & Space Technology
    Reprint Department - AW95
    1221 Avenue of the Americas
    New York, NY 10020
    
    3-6 weeks for delivery.  Orders under $50.00 (US) must be prepaid.
    
    There is a bulk rate available.  If we have a bunch of people
    interested, I could find out what the requirements are (I assume
    that we would need 20-50 to qualify).
    
    
    - dave
    
    
201.4How much is a quantity discount?LATOUR::DZIEDZICMon Aug 11 1986 23:555
    Why don't you find out the quantity price and start a separate
    note so you can get an idea of the response?  I don't really
    have an urgent need for the AWST reprint (I DO intend to get it),
    but if I only save $1.00 it hardly seems worth it.
    
201.5Keep postedLATOUR::DZIEDZICTue Aug 12 1986 09:135
    I'll be ordering volumes 2 through 4 of the report today.  When
    I receive them I'll post the table of contents and a brief over
    view in the notesfile.  That may help someone decide if they want
    to fork over the $90 for the reports.
    
201.6Rogers Report in Nashua LibrarySKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Tue Aug 12 1986 23:0716
    I talked to the folks at the Nashua Library tonight.  It seems that
    we in Nashua luck out.  The Nashua Library is a "Goverment Publications
    Repository" for some class of documents.  This means that Uncle
    Sam sends them everything that is published in certain classes.
    Luckily, NASA stuff is in one of those classes.  They have a whole
    shelf full of NASA stuff.
    
    They DO have the 1st volume of the Rogers Commission Report.  They
    did not know of the existence of the other volumes, but they said
    that they would surely get it since they got the first one.
    
    Apparently it will be in the reference section and will not circulate.
    It was not clear if that was permanent status or not.  They do let
    other NASA stuff out for 1 week ("...because there is so much interest
    around here...").
    
201.7They're inLATOUR::DZIEDZICMon Aug 25 1986 16:486
    I just received Volumes II and III of the Rogers Comission
    report.  There was a blurb on the back of the packing slip
    which said they usually ship separate parcels if your order
    totals less than 9 items, so maybe I'll get the second box
    tomorrow.  I'll try to write an overview sometime this week.
    
201.8Report to the President...EUCLID::PAULHUSWed Sep 10 1986 12:488
    Just got my newsletter from NTIS.  It has a sidebar about the
    "Report to the President by the Presidential Commission on the
    Space Shuttle Challanger Accident".  This is a 256 page document
    PB86-204252/FAA   $22.95 pc (printed copy), $5.95 mf (micro-fich)
    + $3.00 shipping and handling.  Available from National Technical
    Information Service, 5285 Port Royal Rd., Springfield, VA 22161
    (703) 487-4600    I believe they take VISA, MasterCard, and
    American Express for phone orders.   - Chris
201.9same documentDSSDEV::SAUTERJohn SauterWed Sep 10 1986 16:187
    This appears to be exactly the document you can get from the
    Superintendent of Documents for $18.95 (or whatever the price was--see
    earlier replies).  The title is the same, and the number of pages
    is the same.
    
    Isn't competition wonderful?
        John Sauter
201.10Summary of full reportLATOUR::DZIEDZICSat Sep 13 1986 19:4135
    I received the last set of reports before I left on vacation  For
    those who may be interested in ordering part or all of the set of
    5 documents, here's the master table of contents
    
    VOL I - The actual report to the President by the Commission.  The
            best of the set for a condensed overview of what happened,
            what is suggested as a cure, and some good photographs of
            recovered debris.  Includes appendices A) Commission
            Activities, B) Documentation System, C) Observations on
            the Processing and Assembly of Flight 51-L, D) Supporting
            Charts and Documents.
    
    VOL II - More appendices, E-M, including Feynman's report and a
             section with comments by MTI on NASA's report.  Some good
             photography, all black and white, of recovered debris.
    
    VOL III - Appendices N-O, NASA photo and TV support team report,
             and NASA Search, Recovery, and Reconstruction team report.
    
    VOL IV - Transcripts of hearings, Feb 6 to Feb 25.  Some charts,
             few photos.
    
    VOL V - Transcripts of hearings, Feb 26 to May 2.
    
    I'd recommend getting volumes 1, 2, and 3. I'll probably get around
    to reading volumes 4 and 5 some day.  If anyone would like a more
    detailed description of any volume please let me know and I'll try
    to type in a more detailed table of contents.
    
    BTW, I was at the Air and Space Museum at the Smithsonian this week.
    They had volume 1 for sale, along with the "Space Shuttle Operator's
    Manual", several other shuttle-related books, and some "The Dream
    is Alive" T-shirts (of course, they were out of stock).  The reports
    didn't seem to be moving very quickly.
    
201.11Appendix OJVERNE::KLAESBe Here NowWed Apr 06 1994 15:02160
Article: 18866
From: [email protected] (Ken Hayashida)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: 51-L Recovery Report, Rogers' Appendix O
Date: 6 Apr 1994 00:16:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Sender: [email protected]
 
As a result of the current thread related to the 51-L accident investi-
gation, I obtained a copy of Appendix O of the Rogers Commission report.
 
Appendix O is a detailed description of the recovery operations comple-
ted by a joint task force composed of US military and NASA personnel.
 
On Page O-17, the team writes:
 
"Contact classification was accomplished by documentation and small 
debris provided by divers (many), remotely-operated submersibles (2), 
and manned submersibles (2).  This documentation consisted of still 
photographs, video tapes, audio descriptions from manned submersibles, 
and diver descriptions.  Small pieces from debris fields were recovered 
in a n effort to determine a possible general location fo adjacent 
components.  Each contact was classified as Shuttle-related, non 
Shuttle-related, or unconfirmed.  The Shuttle-related were put into 
categories of each element:  Orbiter, ET, Right SRB, and Left SRB.
 
The majority of the contacts were classified as non-Shuttle related.  
These items were Geological, such as shells, coral ridge lines, fish, 
debris of previous unsuccessful launches from CCAFS, and discarded 
equipment from vessels using the shipping lane, such as (a) 
refrigerator, 55-gallon drums, (and) coils of wire."
 
Part E continues:

"During the contact phase, photos, video tapes, and divers' logs were 
examined to determine what techniques were to be used for recovery.  
Special tools were designed and fabricated."
 
"Divers were used extensively for recovery operations in shallow water.  
Only surface-supplied air and scuba diving techniques were utilized.  
Surface-supplied mixed gas (helium/oxygen) and saturation mixed gas 
(helium/oxygen) diving techniques were not used in the initial search 
effort.  However, this technique is planned to be used later in depths
of approximately 300 feet.
 
Submersibles were used in the deeper water areas.
 
Table 2 lists the major debris recovered.  This operation utilized the 
largest number of assets ever assembled for marine salvage."
 
The list in Table 2 of recovered orbiter debris includes the following 
lines:
 
"System	Contact #		Remarks
Orbiter	520		Left Aft Fuselage
	566		Right Wing
	595		Large Left Wing Piece
	***		Crew Compartment
	***		Orbiter Cargo
	***		Orbiter Cargo"
 
Recent posts imply that NASA should have included NTSB personnel in the 
investigation.  Part F of Appendix O states:
 
"The NTSB evaluated the recovered debris in an effort to determine the 
probable failure mode of teh Orbiter including the Payload, the ET, and 
each SRB."
 
It is clear that NTSB was a part of the investigation.  The author
writes, "A more detailed explanation is found in Enclosure No. 8, Space 
Transportation System, Mission 51-L Structural Evaluation Report."
 
*********
several interesting questions arise from this report...

1.  Why was the contact report number "***" for the crew module and cargo?
2.  Has NASA taken steps to preserve the photo, document, and audio tape
     records related to recovery team operations?
3.  What is the NTSB recovery team report?
4.  Does the recent Air & Space magazine story concur with the findings
     in the Rogers' Commission?
 

Article: 18865
From: [email protected] (Ken Hayashida)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: 51-L Break up and Wing Loads was Re: Challenger minor Q
Date: 6 Apr 1994 00:10:36 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Sender: [email protected]
 
[email protected] (Henry McDaniel III) writes:
 (lots deleted)

>If Dick was serious (someone who can comment on the likelyhood of him
>actually not wearing his restraints could surely help me out here)
>then shortly after the orbiter broke up he would have been thrown
>upwards into some switches, and later knocked about the cabin.
 
I doubt that any STS CDR would ever launch without being adequately
restrained in the seat...At MECO, the CDR would come out the seat if
he wasn't properly restrained and Scobee had been in space before.
 
 (lots deleted)

>I'm also curious if the wing connections to the main fuselage could
>have been made any less rigid. . . I mean to the point where they
>are safe for landing with, but would neatly seperate from the main
>body in the event of high areodynamic stresses (such as challenger
>encountered shortly before breakup.)  Would this (and a much stronger
>main body) have kept the shuttle (besides the wings) intact even
>after the ET exploded?   I suspect this is asking far too much,
>and any less strength in the wings would be unsafe for landing with. ..
>but.. anybody know?
 
Appendix O of the Rogers Commission comments on this issue.
 
>The way the solid boosters made it through without breaking up, suggest
>(to my laymen's mind) that the orbiter wings were the chief catalyst for
>the challenger break up. . .
 
This is not a good conclusion because the shape of the SRM is much
different than the shape of the orbiter...accordingly the forces on
the SRM which could lead it is destruction are much different than the
tolerances allowed on the orbiter.  Interesting question though...so
here's a longer answer on the issue about the wings of the Challenger.
 
The Rogers report states:

"Insufficient structure was recovered to definitely establish the failure
mode of the Orbiter, Challenger."
 
"There is evidence that the right SRB contacted the bottom surface of
the outboard section of the right wing which may have contributed to
the separation fo the right wing from the Orbiter.  The evidence
includes crush damage on the bottom surface of the right wing and
outboard elevon, positive (+z) bending and fractures in sections of
the right elevon and inboard structure of the right wing, and high
inertial loading on the right main landing gear and on the IUS's
right spreader beam." 
 
"...indicates that as the SRB moved upward (+z) into contact with the
right wing, and as the wing separated from the Orbiter, the right side
of the Orbiter was sprayed by hot gases exhausting from the hole in
the inboard circumference of the SRB.  It is possible that this
contact between the right SRB and the Orbiter assisted in separating
the Orbiter from the ET in a rapid counter-clockwise rolling movement
that exposed the Orbiter to destructive aerodynamic and inertial forces." 
 
"The structural evaluation established clearly that the crew module,
including most of its outer shell, remained essentially intact until
impact with the water and that the module was fragmented extensively
from extreme overload and inertial forces associated with water impact.  
The structural deformations and fragmentations indicate that the module 
struck the water in a slight nose down and steep left bank attitude." 
 
Hope that answers your question.
 
Ken in LA, CA, USA, Eh?