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Conference 7.286::space

Title:Space Exploration
Notice:Shuttle launch schedules, see Note 6
Moderator:PRAGMA::GRIFFIN
Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:974
Total number of notes:18843

149.0. "Did the U.S. Air Force Know?" by HUGO::PETRARCA () Thu Feb 13 1986 12:25

Caught a glimpse of a story in the Colorado Springs Gazette-Telegraph which
referred to an Air Force study which listed the probability of catastrophic
failure of one of the SRBs (including loss of spacecraft, mission and life)
as being one in every 35 missions. The conclusion (reporters or AF - wasn't
clear) was that the shuttle was an accident waiting to happen.

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149.1AKOV01::HAUENSTEINThu Feb 13 1986 14:105
Isn't the Air Force trying to justify before congress an increase in funding
to (re)institute the use of unmanned rockets to place various payloads in
orbit?  This finding would certainly give them aid them in that goal.

Lee
149.2HUGO::PETRARCAThu Feb 13 1986 15:313
The date reported on the memo was 1983.

						Bruce
149.3BOEHM::GRIFFINThu Feb 13 1986 19:4224
Re: .0

What is your point?

If you tally all the systems, probability failures, etc. this seems rather
reasonable.

Let me try a quote from memory here (read this a few weeks ago):  A NASA
engineer was talking to Michael Collins about the Saturn V rocket that
propelled Michael and his collegues (Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin) to 
the moon.  "Mike, the Saturn V has 1.1 million parts, 50,000 subsystems,
many of them critical to flight safety.  Assuming 99.9%  non-failure
rate, that means that you could probably have 5600 failures during
the flight." [Mike heard this BEFORE he went to the moon] (Note: I may have 
my numbers wrong).

Considering the complexity of the Shuttle over the Saturn V (hell, the
software alone is incredibly complex), such a statistical projection
of 1 life-taking failure in 35 seems rather optimistic, no?

- dave

Just think how complex cars are getting nowadays...  You still have to get
from point A to point B, no?  Need vs. Risk
149.4CASTOR::MCCARTHYFri Feb 14 1986 18:135
One need also consider that if NASA had contradicting data of its own,
it merely became a question of who should they believe. The press, of course,
always believes the side that forces a clear villain.

							-Brian