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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

2230.0. "DEFPA and NT 4.0" by NETRIX::"[email protected]" (NSIS Austria) Mon Feb 24 1997 17:15

Hi there,

I have a customer who recently upgraded their servers to NT 4.0(SP2)
Now we have installed DEFPA-UA cards into this servers which are connected
to a DECconcentrator 900MX. Since there is no driver on the disk, we used the
one from the NT 4.0 CDrom.

There are some 500 clients, most of them running WFW 3.11. They are 
experiencing very slow response times, and some of them(10%) cannot start
the Applications (Excel and WW from a server share) any more.
Clients with TCP 3.11b installed get the message "winoa386.mod not installed",
clients with Netbeui get "Application cannot be started".

After some investigation the customer swapped the DEFPAs with 3Com Ethernet 
cards and all works fine.

Is there a new driver, hotfix,... to get the DEFPAs to fly

cheers
Robert

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2230.1NETCAD::TERPENINGDevon Terpening-Network AdaptersTue Feb 25 1997 11:5639
We've been shipping NT 4.0 supported drivers for DEFPA for at 
least six months now.  Can you try using the NDIS3 driver found 
on our v2.81 DEFPA driver kit? You can find it at:

	ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/adapters/fddi/defpa/interim
or
	netcad::pcdrivers:[fddi.defpa.interim]


The file you're looking for is FPKIT281.ZIP.

As for your performance problems, could you provide a little more
information? What is the customer using for a bridge? Is is possible
to put an FDDI analyzer on the ring to see if there are packets which
aren't getting through to the ethernet side of the network?

I ask that because it's possible that NDIS isn't properly
negociating a maximum frame size between the server and each client.
While TCP/IP packets can be fragmented, Netbeui packets cannot. Thus
any Netbeui packet greater than the ethernet max of 1500 bytes will
not get sent from the FDDI server, through the bridge, to the other
side.

If this is the case, one solution is to set the maximum frame size
handled by the DEFPA in the server to 1500. This would force the
DEFPA to transmit packets no greater than 1500 bytes. While this 
might help your ethernet clients, it would handcuff the DEFPA when
talking to other FDDI nodes as it would not be able to take
advantage of FDDI's 4500 byte maximum frame size.

As for swapping the DEFPAs with ethernet adapters, that's not a
completely valid test as the customer has removed the FDDI component.
Now if they had swapped the DEFPAs for someone else's FDDI adapters 
and the problem disappeared, that would be another story.


-Devon

2230.2DECswitch 900EFATZIS1::SCHMOELZER_RTue Feb 25 1997 17:1018
    Hi Devon,
    
    Thanks for your quick response. 
    I have already copied the 2.81 kit and will test it at the customers
    site. As for the bridges, they are all DECswitch 900EFs with FW 1.6 or
    1.7. I have already checked the IP Fragmentation switch on them but i
    cannot verify the correct function since i dont have an FDDI analyzer.
    I want to cross check this by disabling large packet sizes in NT.
    i assume this is a registry setting, so do you know where it is or how
    it should look like?
    
    and finally jfyi,
    As for the FDDI to Ethernet swap, since these servers are "production"
    machines the customer HAD to swap them back to ethernet to get them up
    and running for the next day.
    
    cheers
    Robert
2230.3NETCAD::TERPENINGDevon Terpening-Network AdaptersThu Feb 27 1997 13:5322
The parameter you want to modify is MaxFrameSize. Use the registry
editor to add the parameter to the following subtree:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Defpa?\Parameters

where ? is the instance of the DEFPA adapter in question.

Value Name:  MaxFrameSize
Date Type:   REG_DWORD
Values:      3-4478
Default:     4478

The max FDDI frame size (not including the FDDI frame header or 4-byte
CRC) is 4478 bytes. You'll probably want to lower this to 1500 bytes 
for your experiment.

BTW, should you ever need to do this again and you lose this note, 
simply click on the network icon on the NT Control Panel, then select
Adapters>Properties>Help and you'll get a narrative much like the one 
I've written here.

-Devon
2230.4thanksNETRIX::"[email protected]"NSIS AustriaThu Mar 06 1997 01:507
Thanks,

I will check this out at the customer site.

rgds
robert
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