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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

2042.0. "900MX behaviour" by SEDSWS::BRODIE () Wed May 15 1996 11:45

I have an issue with 4 DEC FDDI concentrators on 3 rings. These 4 FDDI
stations are issuing SMT frames advertising their upstream neighbours as unknown
using the reserved address 00-00-00-f8-00-00. These devices later became
unavailable to SNMP management or TCP/IP pings. 

Is this known behaviour? We saw this once at the weekend but did not realise it
at the time when one concentrator FCGENA_180A was hung in management. We also
had one 900TH that was also issuing 00-00-00-f8-00-00 as its upstream neighbour
this was swapped as we thought at that time it was faulty.

Regards
                                                  
Alan Brodie
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2042.1NPSS::MDLYONSMichael D. Lyons DTN 226-6943Wed May 15 1996 16:4314
        That address was given to ANSI by Digital for the specific purpose
    of identifying unknown addresses.
    
        In the ANSI SMT spec I have (7.2c) it's referred to as
    SMT_Unknown_Address.  See section 7.1.6 and 8.2.2.1, for example.
    
   ...from 8.2.2.1:
    
    UNA          Upstream Neighbor Address.  The UNA identifies the
                 most-recently-known upstream neighbor address.  This
                 variable is exported to extermal management entities.  If
                 unknown, the UNA is reported as SMT_Unknown_Address.
     
    MDL
2042.2NPSS::MDLYONSMichael D. Lyons DTN 226-6943Wed May 15 1996 16:465
    P.S. I assume you made a typo - SMT-Unknown-Address is in the
    specification as 00-00-F8-00-00-00, not 00-00-00-F8-00-00.  Is the
    concentrator really reporting the wrong address?
    
    MDL
2042.3My mistakeSEDSWS::BRODIEThu May 16 1996 05:028
My mistake in the original note I failed to point out that the 900MX's in
question are issuing the SMT broadcast advertising their UNA (Upstream Neighbour
Address) at 00-00-00-f8-00-00 continously. This I believe is not normal
behaviour.

Regards

Alan 
2042.449393::HOTZgimme an F !!!, ...D !!!, ...D !!!, ...I !!!, what's that spell !!!?Fri May 17 1996 10:5627
Do you have DECswitches 900 V1.4.* or earlier on the concentrators? They
had a problem with NIFs. It's fixed in 1.5.*.

If that's not the case, what's connected on the concentrators? Remember,
the FDDI-MAC is at the exit (B-port) on a concentrator. Therfore the
devices on the m-ports are upstream to the concentrator.

greg
schweiz, suisees, switcherland. 


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When a DECswitch 900 is removed from a concentrator M port ...

for longer then 2 * 4 minutes (2 * T_NN_Out, 2* 228 sec) and then
reconnected, it will stop sending and responding to NIFs. However
(in the 2nd case) it sets the "Address recognized" and "Frame
Copied" frame status indicators in NIF request frames from its
upstream neighbor and it learns the UNA, as seen with HUBwatch.
The MAC counters also increment the Copied Count, but not the
Transmit Count.

An FDDI ring mapping device (HP-Analyzer) will see a ring
discontinuity since the up- and downstream neighbors of the
bridge can't find out what's inbetween them (DNA, UNA =
00-00-F8-00-00-00)