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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1965.0. "non DEC RJ45 logging high counters" by CSC32::D_HIGHLAND () Fri Feb 23 1996 18:23

        Has anyone seen high counts of LEM, LCT, connects completed, and 
        ring inits on a 900MX UTP mod pmd port with third party cables?  
        Mainly the connector head itself.
    
        What we've found is a slight difference in connector length, but it
        appears to be making a real difference in the connection, or lack
        of in this case.
    
        At this point it is only speculative, however, we've seen it one
        other time, as soon as the DEC cable was used, the above mentioned
        counters quieted.
    
        File access and copies are failing, the port LEDs go from Green to
        Amber...then back to green after a couple of minutes.  We've tried
        other ports, other MX's, other controllers, and OS (OpenVMS and
        WNT).
    
        We have tried other cables but all have been made outside DEC.
        Since the configuration is valid, and the versions are all
        current (except the MX is running V3.1.1 ...I think the latest 
        there is V3.2.x).  We've asked the customer to try one of our 
        cables. (big sale!)
    
        Has anyone seen similar symptoms with non-DEC cables?
    
        Dave Highland
        CSC/CS
    
        Crossed in Hub Mgt conference
    
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NETCAD::MELARAGNI                                    15 lines  23-FEB-1996 14:15
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    Are you sure that the non-DEC cables are actually Cat 5 behind-the-wall 
    cables? 
    
    There are two kinds of Cat 5 cable -- "behind-the-wall" and "patch cord". 
    "Behind-the-wall" cable is designed to meet the EIA/TIA-568 specs for 
    cable loss for lenghts up to 90m. Patch cord has a much higher loss and as 
    such is limited to 10m total length. If your customer is using patch
    cord of lengths greater than 10m, then this might be the problem.
    
    You can usually tell patch cord from the behind-the-wall cable by the
    flexible nature of the patch cord. The behind-the-wall cable is usually
    stiff.
    
    bill 
                                                                     

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CSC32::D_HIGHLAND                                    14 lines  23-FEB-1996 18:15
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    He is connected to his Alpha's PCI UTP controller (DEFPA) directly from
    the 900MX MOD PMD UTP port.  No "behind-the-wall."  This is the reason
    he went to the third party make.  Digital's solution (I don't have the
    part number) for this cable was only 3 meters.  He needed at least 6
    meters, however, it may actually be longer, I'll have to check.
    
    Our 3 meter cable appears to be for wall connections only.
    
    I will cross post this in FDDI as well.
    
    Thanks for the information.
    
    Dave