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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1853.0. "Transmission degredation in one direction" by NETRIX::"[email protected]" (Steven Freke) Thu Nov 02 1995 09:48

Folks
	I have a customer who has a fibre link that goes through a number 
of 3rd party devices. When he copies a file using decnet betwen two nodes 
either side of teh link, the copy take about 45 seconds one way,a nd about 
15 minutes the other way.

His question was, is there any chance of a poor LED in one of the 
transcievers producing this poor transmission time, But does not affect the 
recieve. 
He is going to reverse the two transcievers to see if he can make the
problem change direction.

Has anybody ever see this? Is it too far fetched?

Steven Freke
LAN Team
CSC UK Basinsgtoke
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1853.1things to checkNETCAD::MELARAGNIThu Nov 02 1995 12:0314
    An interesting problem. Some things worth considering:
    
    	- Check the error counters on both machines. If the problem is a
    degraded link, then the counters should reflect this.
    
    	- What machines are in between the two nodes? Are any of these
    machines routers or bridges? Is it possible that the asymmetric data
    throughput is being caused there?
    
    	- Any duplicate LAN, DECnet, or TCP addresses? Duplicate addresses
    often cause weird problems like this.
    
    good luck,
    bill 
1853.2NETCAD::B_CRONINFri Nov 03 1995 08:5920
    It isn't farfetched - I was involved with a similar problem recently.
    In that case the complaint was that a transfer from X to Y took
    milliseconds, and the transfer from Y to X took several seconds. 
    The network looked like this:
    
    	+-----------------------------------------+
    	|					  |
    	+---X--Y--1--2--3--4--5--6--7--8--9-------+
    
    
    
    As Bill M suggested, we first searched the PHY LEM and LEM Reject 
    counters, for each node in the path (about 60 ports in all) and all 
    looked good. We then looked at all of the MAC Lost
    and FCS Error counts, and all looked good. It turned out that one of 
    the stations between Y and X was clobbering the packet, but not ticking 
    its counters. We eventually isolated it by having Y transmit first to
    1, then 2 etc, until,the errors began - then we removed the suspect
    node, and all was well. 
    
1853.3Ethernet or FDDI?CHOWDA::FAHEYAre we having 'FUN' yet?Fri Nov 03 1995 09:0915
    This is the FDDI conference but it 'sounds like' you are talking about
    an Ethernet link. If this were an FDDI network I'd be looking for some
    sort of DECnet parameter problem. Like pipline or packet size.
    
    If, in fact, it is an ethernet link then the transmit and recieve paths
    are somewhat independent.So a transmission path problem is more of a
    possibility. 
    
    At any rate there used to be a VMS utility called DTS/DTR to allow
    tests of varying packet sizes. If the two systems have this utility it
    could turn out to be a worthwhile exercise to see if you can reproduce
    the problem with this test. Start with small transfers (say 100 bytes)
    and work your way up to see if you can reproduce it.
    
    Jim