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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1761.0. "DEFPA with Digital XL590?" by SNOFS1::KHOOJEANNIE () Thu Jul 27 1995 02:33

    Is anyone successfully using a DEFPA in a Digital XL590 server?
    
    A customer of ours running Novell 3.12 is abending several times daily. 
    He uses the XL590 with a DEFPA and a RAID system on the EISA bus.
    
    Any suggestions or tips?
    Jeannie
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1761.1NETCAD::STEFANIMachines to humanizeThu Jul 27 1995 22:097
    >>A customer of ours running Novell 3.12 is abending several times daily. 
    >>He uses the XL590 with a DEFPA and a RAID system on the EISA bus.
    
    What's the message when it ABENDs?  I don't know of any DEFPA-related
    issues on NetWare 3.12.
    
       - Larry
1761.2The error messages are ...SNOFS1::KHOOJEANNIESun Jul 30 1995 23:3231
    Dear Larry
    
    The abend messages are as follows:
    
    1	General protection processor exception (error code 00000000)
    2	Operating system version ...
    3	Running process interrupt service routine (nested count 2)
    
    followed by either of
    
    4	interrupted process media manager (this occurs about half the time)
    4	interrupted process server 12 process
    4	interrupted process intel prescan 0 process
    4	interrupted process PAC transport process
    
    Apparently the DEFPA is not on the supported options list for the
    XL590, and in consequence the customer has had a lot of difficulty
    getting Digital to support him.
    
    He installed a DEFEA instead two days ago, and has had no further
    abends.  However his performance is 50% slower (what used to take 46s
    with the PCI now takes 66s with the EISA), so he would prefer to return
    to the PCI NIC, if and when he can get it to work, and Digital agrees
    to support him!
    
    Any suggestions would be much appreciated,                                         
    Jeannie                                
    
    
    
    
1761.3NETCAD::STEFANIMachines to humanizeMon Jul 31 1995 09:5526
    >>He installed a DEFEA instead two days ago, and has had no further
    >>abends.  However his performance is 50% slower (what used to take 46s
    >>with the PCI now takes 66s with the EISA), so he would prefer to return
    >>to the PCI NIC, if and when he can get it to work, and Digital agrees
    >>to support him!
    
    Digital (as in the Adapter Product Group) does support your customer. 
    Whether other business units do is out of our control.
    
    The DEFEA and DEFPA drivers are essentially the same except for some
    small differences in the bus interface.  The DECpc XL family is not
    "plug and play" so you must assign resources to the peripherals via the
    PCI configuration setup.  This includes enabling the slot, enabling bus
    mastering, assigning and IRQ and latency timer value, and ensuring that
    the DEFPA is installed in a bus mastering slot.  I believe at least 1
    of the slots in the XL is non-bus mastering.
    
    Is it possible that the customer had a resource conflict (eg. IRQ
    conflict) with the DEFPA installed?  Are they using the MSM31X.NLM,
    FDDITSM.NLM, and DEFPA.LAN files off the
    KALI::PCDRIVERS:[DEFPA.INTERIM]FPKIT242.ZIP kit?
    
    Also, make sure they are running the latest and greatest BIOS for the
    XL and the most current disk driver.
    
       - Larry
1761.4A couple more questions ...SNOFS1::KHOOJEANNIETue Aug 01 1995 23:2831
        >>> I believe at least 1 of the slots in the XL is non-bus mastering.
    
        He is using a XL590 server as opposed to the XL590 workstation so
        all slots are bus mastering.
    
        >>> Also make sure they are running the latest and greatest BIOS
            for the XL and the most current disk driver.
    
        Yep, sure is.
    
        >>> Is it possible that the customer had a resource conflict
            (eg. IRQ conflict) with the DEFPA installed?  Are they using the
            MSM31X.NLM, FDDITSM.NLM, and DEFPA.LAN files off the
            KALI::PCDRIVERS:[DEFPA.INTERIM]FPKIT242.ZIP kit?
    
        He believes that there are no resource conflicts (he had an IRQ
        conflict with his RAID controller early on but he fixed this).
    
        I have given him copies of fpkit242.zip and fpkit241.zip (he was
        using 2.40) for him to try.
    
        With his replacement DEFEA, he has noticed that it does not run
        FDDITSM.NLM, whereas the DEFPA did.  What does the FDDI TSM.NLM
        actually do?
    
        I also found out that he is concurrently using an NE3200 Ethernet
        EISA NIC (Ethernet TSM NLM).  Could it be conflict between this NLM
        and the FDDITSM.NLM?
    
        Thank you very much for all your help so far - it has proved invaluable.
        Jeannie 
1761.5Latest DEFEA.LAN MUST use FDDITSM.NLMMAVRIC::POSTNetwork backed up? Give it more fiber.Thu Aug 03 1995 00:2832
    Hi,
    
    Larry is out for the week... Both the DEFEA and the DEFPA use
    FDDITSM.NLM. The Novell architecture is each LAN driver is comprised of
    three modules loaded at runtime:
    
    	MSM.NLM - Novell Supplied
    		  OS Interface Module
    
    	xxxTSM.NLM  - NOvell Supplied
    		      ETHERTSM.NLM is used for Ethernet drivers
                      FDDITSM.NLM is used for FDDI drivers
    		      TOKENTSM.NLM is used for Token Ring drivers...
    
        xxx.LAN -     Vendor supplied driver for adapter
    			EWRK3.LAN -
        		3C503.LAN -
    			DEFEA.LAN
    			DEFPA.LAN
    
    For 3.11 servers there was a "monolithic" driver that was all three
    modules in one .lan file. the newer architecture has been in place
    since NetWare 3.12. The readme's on the floppy show how to make the
    "new" architecture driver run on 3.11.
    
    If he is using both the latest DEFEA and DEFPA drivers, then
    FDDITSM.NLM MUST be loaded.....
    
    Again, is sounds like a resource conflict...
    
    -Don
        
1761.6NETCAD::STEFANIMachines to humanizeMon Aug 07 1995 19:2911
    To add to Don's note, if the customer has multiple NICs installed, they
    should *ALL* be of the MSM-TSM-.LAN variety.  The ETHERTSM.NLM and
    FDDITSM.NLM files won't interfere with eachother, but they ARE tied
    closely with two files: MSM.NLM (for NetWare 4.X) and MSM31X.NLM (for
    NetWare 3.1X).
    
    The current certified versions of MSM.NLM, MSM31X.NLM, ETHERTSM.NLM,
    and FDDITSM.NLM are v2.50.  The customer should check that these files
    are up to rev.
    
    /l      
1761.7How to load FDDITSM?SNOFS1::KHOOJEANNIEWed Aug 09 1995 23:149
    Thanks Larry and Don
    
    The customer is *sure* that the DEFEA's autoload does not load
    FDDITSM.NLM and that it is not running.
    
    Could this be possible?  What can he do to fix this?
    
    Jeannie
                                                       
1761.8Double-check his autoexec.ncfTOOK::THOMPSONThu Aug 10 1995 12:2616
    
    Jeannie,
    
    Tell the customer to load the install utility and under system
    options to edit his autoexec.ncf.  It should load all files that
    he needs to run the driver including:
    
    load msm 
    load fdditsm
    load defpa.lan frame = ... 
    bind ipx to defpa net = ...
    
    Make sure all these paramaters are loaded and try again.
    
    -Brenda
    
1761.9DEFEA.LAN may be very very oldMAVRIC::POSTNetwork backed up? Give it more fiber.Thu Aug 10 1995 18:1715
    Hi Jeannie,
    
    After rereading the previous notes again, I noticed that the version of
    the DEFEA.LAN driver is never mentioned. If the customer is loading the
    1st DEFEA.LAN driver we ever shipped (1993 date) the yes FDDITSM.NLM
    will not be loaded. It is of the old style which had the MSM,TSM, and
    HSM built into one driver. Using this driver his performance would be
    as worse than the new driver. Make sure he is running the driver from
    the 2.40 disk KALI::PCDRIVERS:[DEFEA.RELEASE]FEKIT240.ZIP or ftp
    from 
    	   ftp.dec.com \pub\DEC\adapters\defea\interim\fekit240.zip
    
    This driver will load with a FDDITSM.NLM and have better performance...
    
    -Don