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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1705.0. "alpha clusters over FDDI, high speed network too?" by DELBOY::THORNTON () Mon Jun 05 1995 13:57

    I am looking for information to support a customer who wants to deploy
    our FDDI products. 
    
    I need to know that FDDI is man enough to cope with DEC Alpha
    2100 PCI systems clustered over a dual ring between DEChub900s in a
    campus and for this FDDI to form a high speed backbone for serving
    out the server data to 150 (and growing ...) PCs using Pathworks.
    
    It is the presence of the clustering content that concerns (me) as I
    have no feel for how much traffic this might generate.
    
    I would ideally like to say .... look at company XYZ; they have a
    similar scenario and are happy ....
    
    can anyone help with such a testimonial or personal experience please>?
    
	Also is it possible to use 2 separate FDDI adapters in a system and 
have one used for the cluster interconnect and the second as a 'pure' high 
performance network.... so that the clustering is unaffected by the network 
and vice versa???? 

thanks for input
    dave
    
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1705.1NETCAD::STEFANIWelcome to the Revolution!Mon Jun 05 1995 16:4420
    >>I need to know that FDDI is man enough to cope with DEC Alpha
    >>2100 PCI systems clustered over a dual ring between DEChub900s in a
    >>campus and for this FDDI to form a high speed backbone for serving
    >>out the server data to 150 (and growing ...) PCs using Pathworks.
    
    Hey...the REAL question is whether the Sable (AlphaServer 2100) is "man
    enough" for FDDI!  :-)
    
    Yes, you can safely run FDDI in the Alpha servers.  The performance is
    good and there are tons of customers out there running this
    configuration.
    
    >>Also is it possible to use 2 separate FDDI adapters in a system and 
    >>have one used for the cluster interconnect and the second as a 'pure'
    >>high  performance network.... so that the clustering is unaffected by
    >>the network  and vice versa???? 
    
    Up to the operating system.  Check with the clustering and OS folks.
    
    /larry
1705.2DELBOY::THORNTONTue Jun 06 1995 05:3810
    Larry 
    
    thanks
    
    
    do we have any testimonials for this do you know?
    
    regards
    dave
    
1705.3NETCAD::STEFANIWelcome to the Revolution!Tue Jun 06 1995 08:076
    You can try Tim Cerling (LURE::CERLING).  He's spent a lot of time
    configuring the FDDI controllers in 2100's for a big contract with Best
    Buy.  Also, you may want to check the Sable Notes conference
    (MVBLAB::SABLE) for notes that include the DEFPA.
    
    /l
1705.4Volume shadowing over FDDI>KAOFS::C_MENENDEZCARLOS, SOO ONT MCS (705)945-7862Tue Jun 06 1995 10:3626
    	While we are on the same topic, I have a customer that wants to
    create a "hot backup" site for one of his computers at another site.
    
    	Here is the scenario:
    
    	Customer is running some applications presently on a DEC7610 and
    there is a 56K line between this site and another 3100-80 at the
    airport site.
    
    	What these guys want to do is upgrade the 3100 for a sable, and
    then cluster over FDDI (available soon instead of the 56k line) to the
    7610 site. These guys want  to make the 2100 a pathworks server as well
    as the primary system for some of the applications, but want to have
    a copy of the data in case there is something down at the airport.
    
    	It seems fine to me, but I'm assuming the 2100 would be a satellite
    node on the 7610  cluster, and that some sort of volume shadowing would
    be possible at the 7610 site. These guys are planning this as a
    disaster recovery solution, where if something happens, they make a 10
    minute car drive, come back to the 7610 site nad resume their work.
    
    	Is this possible or am I dreaming?
    
    	Thanks,
    
    	Carlos
1705.5NETCAD::STEFANIWelcome to the Revolution!Tue Jun 06 1995 14:214
    This thread is going beyond FDDI.  There must be a clusters conference
    or perhaps OpenVMS conference that can answer some of these questions.
    
    /l
1705.6*Lots* of people are doing FDDI based clustersNPSS::MDLYONSMichael D. Lyons DTN 226-6943Tue Jun 06 1995 14:28122
    ...many of these questions are covered in existing notes in the
    SPEZKO::CLUSTER or FILTON::MDF notes conferences...
    
    ...for example - in the CLUSTER notes conference, here are the notes
    with FDDI in the title:
    
  4550   CSC32::S_ROCHFORD   27-APR-1995     5  Using DEFPA (FDDI) adapter for cluster comm
  4548  KERNEL::NICHOLSONA   26-APR-1995     1  reinit_wait fddi cluster
  4521  EICMFG::HUTH          4-APR-1995    10  Does a 2 node FDDI cluster make sense?
  4506   TROOA::PBLANEY      21-MAR-1995     6  OpenVMS 6.1, SCS --> FDDI, not enet
  4494  GIDDAY::FLAWN         9-MAR-1995     1  DSSI cluster directory corruption w/ FDDI
  4483   CHR27::YEUNG        26-FEB-1995     2  FDDI cluster questions
  4482  GIDDAY::STANISLAUS   25-FEB-1995     1  FDDI, PEA0 VC Closures, Mount Verifications, etc
  4481  MMOAXP::MHENSON      23-FEB-1995     0  PCI FDDI Controller Support for VMSclusters
  4465  GIDDAY::STANISLAUS   15-FEB-1995     2  LAVc - FDDI- Ethernet- VC - breaks
  4453  COWBOY::MIRGHANE      8-FEB-1995     5  Cluster with 2 different OVMS versions and ETHENET /FDDI 
  4452  BROUGH::DAVIES        8-FEB-1995     4  FDDI configuration help pleasee
  4451   CSC32::M_MONDOZZI    7-FEB-1995     1  Can the DEC7000-720 be booted as a satellite via FDDI
  4448  GIDDAY::STANISLAUS    7-FEB-1995     2  PEA0 errors on a FDDI LAVc Cluster
  4427   MINNY::BOELSTERLI   26-JAN-1995     2  VAX 4600 /FDDI Cluster Config?
  4423  AUSSIE::GARSON       25-JAN-1995     2  Two Alphas and an FDDI
  4400  ANASAZ::J_BECKER     29-DEC-1994     0  axp fddi node times out quorum watch poll
  4390  kb1gp.mse.tay.dec.co 15-DEC-1994     1  FDDI Storage Servers announced
  4380   CSC32::SCHMALSTIEG   9-DEC-1994     7  CIXCD vs. FDDI
  4340  WARNUT::GRAVESG      15-NOV-1994     4  FDDI/Shadowing restriction?
  4332   HGOVC::BURANCELEUNG  7-NOV-1994     3  FDDI and ethernet backup question
  4314  HGODCS::SUSANCHAN    26-OCT-1994     0  on NI and FDDI
  4313  LXP215::triniane     25-OCT-1994     1  FDDI/VAX/alpha configuration question
  4312  CRONIC::DUNLOP       24-OCT-1994     2  Problem migrating VMScluster to FDDI (mixed environment)
  4310  MANM01::DIANAROSA    21-OCT-1994     3  Cluster/FDDI config 
  4277  HGCS09::PAULCHOI     23-SEP-1994     3  Where is FDDI_CLUSTER?
  4271   KETJE::SCHREURS     21-SEP-1994     5  Shadowing over FDDI
  4264  SKYLRK::LUTEN        15-SEP-1994    11  Cross Country FDDI Cluster
  4263  VNASWS::WILFRIED     15-SEP-1994     2  3 x AXP 2100 in FDDI cluster: configuration & performance issues
  4247  UTROP1::WOLFEREN_R    1-SEP-1994     2  NI cluster over FDDI?
  4242  VAXRIO::MAURO        26-AUG-1994     4  Shadow data in a FDDI/Ethernet cluster...
  4216  GIDDAY::STANISLAUS   10-AUG-1994     5  DEFTA-DA AND FDDI CLUSTER
  4199  TIMABS::BACHMANN     26-JUL-1994     1  CLuster over FDDI 
  4195   ZUR01::BACHMANN     23-JUL-1994     1  Shadow copy AXP V6.1 over FDDI
  4191   TROOA::BBUTLER      20-JUL-1994     5  FDDI cluster, queue manager shutdown problem...
  4189  OTOU01::LAROCHELLE   19-JUL-1994     4  FDDI vs CI which one has priority ?
  4185  APACHE::LINNELL      15-JUL-1994     0  FDDI & CI cluster refence sites
  4138  NZOMIS::HOWARD        7-JUN-1994     5  FDDI vs DSSI - or even GIGAswitch?
  4127   HGOVC::BURANCELEUNG 30-MAY-1994     0  FDDI cluster (Ethernet backup) - datalink error
  4122  APACHE::KUBOTA       26-MAY-1994     0  Is there FDDI cluster demo site ? 
  4121   RULLE::KLASSON      26-MAY-1994     1  Ethernet utilization in FDDI cluster
  4100  TOOHOT::LEEDS        10-MAY-1994     0  DEC 2000 model 500 in FDDI cluster ??
  4099  NZOMIS::ROBBINS       9-MAY-1994     3  FDDI and NI mixed cluster performance
  4073   DIODE::CROWELL      20-APR-1994     1  FDDI VMScluster info?
  4063   YUPPY::HARVEY       13-APR-1994     6  FDDI cluster config questions
  4049  ATYISA::LARDERET     31-MAR-1994     2  FDDI max node number??
  4044  ROMVLC::SALVATI      28-MAR-1994     2  VMScluster traffic on FDDI on OpenVMS AXP V1.5
  4027  STKHLM::ALMERLOV     18-MAR-1994     4  NI-FDDI communication fails in an inconsistent way
  4011  GIDDAY::MUNN         11-MAR-1994     1  FDDI LAVC - NO NI
  3998  STRWRS::KOCH_P        1-MAR-1994     0  DECbridge 900MX & 1 TC FDDI SAS connect?
  3996  LXP215::triniane     28-FEB-1994     2  FDDI cluster without BRS
  3993    DRAC::CODINA       24-FEB-1994     3  FDDI & VMScluster
  3975  TOOIS1::MIRGHANE     11-FEB-1994     3  cluster of 2 DEC3000 with FDDI
  3967   JDARC::GUIBOILEAU    8-FEB-1994     7  4000-90 on FDDI
  3964   KAOFS::V_LEDOUX      4-FEB-1994     3  Shadow merge / FDDI slows systems
  3939  TLSE01::MIRGHANE     18-JAN-1994     4  FDDI VMScluster supporting remote tape access
  3913  GJOVAX::GRAEFF        3-JAN-1994     1  VAX 6320 and VAX 4600 on FDDI cluster?
  3906   TAVIS::PELY         23-DEC-1993     1  FDDI CLUSTER - with non DEC-CONCENTRATOR
  3901   53859::LUCOTTE      17-DEC-1993     2  Alpha Cluster on FDDI
  3880  MFOIS1::CHOQUET       2-DEC-1993     7  Mixed Arch. FDDI Cluster ?
  3876  NEMAIL::ROBERTSON    29-NOV-1993     4  Distance between FDDI cluster members
  3872    KOZY::SARKOZY      23-NOV-1993     0  FDDI/TC AXP VMScluster
  3868  COPCLU::GREG         19-NOV-1993     4  DSSI or FDDI/Gigaswitch
  3866  COPCLU::GREG         15-NOV-1993     1  FDDI on DEC 2000 model 300?
  3862  STKHLM::JUTEMAR      10-NOV-1993     1  Shadowmount problem in FDDI cluster
  3851  TOOIS1::MIRGHANE     29-OCT-1993     4  Remote volume shadowing anf FDDI
  3845  MS2000::schell       27-OCT-1993     5  DSSI/FDDI cluster - where does the traffic go?
  3828  PASSES::D_JANSEN     15-OCT-1993     3  FDDI Cluster - SANITY TIMEOUTS - SHDRIVER BUGCHECKS
  3789   GLDOA::TYNER         8-SEP-1993     2  Need trigger value, SCA cluexit frame for Fddi sniffer
  3750  GIDDAY::STANISLAUS    9-AUG-1993     1  FDDI and Ethernet Cluster with FDDI and Ethernet bridged
  3710  LARVAE::BARKER_C     12-JUL-1993     4  Dual FDDI cluster questions
  3706  HLSM01::HENK_H        7-JUL-1993     7  Maximum # of nodes in a FDDI configuration
  3671  IJSAPL::BROUWERS     10-JUN-1993     0  Qbus FDDI experience?
  3669  ROMTSS::DESIDERI     10-JUN-1993     1  Decnet on FDDI/ETHERNET extended lan
  3660  SARALN::SHEPRO        3-JUN-1993     4  Booting VAX 4000-90 with FDDI into cluster as a satellite
  3653  GIDDAY::STANISLAUS   28-MAY-1993     1  LAVc on FDDI
  3649  BOSNET::COLUMBUS     26-MAY-1993     2  Is LAVC supported with FDDI Q-bus controller 
  3643  SARALN::SHEPRO       24-MAY-1993     2  Disks served through FDDI or Ethernet
  3629  GIDDAY::SHCHIU       10-MAY-1993     2  reaching FDDI note conf problem !
  3611  STKHLM::PAULSON      28-APR-1993     3  Mixing 6000, 4000, FDDI and Ethernet
  3602  LARVAE::MUIR_JOHN    21-APR-1993     3  Power of Quorum VAX in FDDI clus
  3563  EZLCHZ::EZZELL       16-MAR-1993     7  MIVC FDDI and ETHERNET
  3521   TROOA::LEONG        18-FEB-1993     8  VAXstation Servers in a FDDI cluster
  3495    F104::HERNAN        3-FEB-1993     1  Cluster Performance issues CI --> FDDI/GIGAswitch
  3420   CGOOA::DOLMAN        2-DEC-1992     1  Cluster over FDDI/Microwave
  3419  FILTON::MCCAUGHAN_S   2-DEC-1992     3  FDDI satellites
  3415   CGOOA::DOLMAN        1-DEC-1992     3  Shadowing over FDDI
  3280   ROM01::RUSSO        21-SEP-1992     1  DSSI vs FDDI
  3265  GUIDUK::SOMER        10-SEP-1992     4  DEFZA and LAVC's  on FDDI
  3253  QBOU04::LANGEVIN      3-SEP-1992     3  TPC-A degradation when shadowing over FDDI
  3233   YUPPY::COPPINGP     27-AUG-1992     9  DSSI using FDDI?
  3225  IKARUS::MUHR         20-AUG-1992     4  CLUEXIT with dual rail NI interconnect (FDDI+Ethernet)
  3178  BERN01::PFISTER      30-JUL-1992     2  LAVc over TurboChannel-FDDI?
  3168  AEOEN2::BOMMART      28-JUL-1992     5  MicroVAX/FDDI: still a LAVC ?
  3139  HGTAI1::PRCSWS       16-JUL-1992     8  VAX 9000 FDDI cluster?
  3068   ROM01::RUSSO        25-MAY-1992     1  FDDI cluster with 9000
  3048  CANYON::LEEDS        12-MAY-1992     2  what is required for FDDI Cluster ?
  3038   OSLMR::MARTINR_P     8-MAY-1992     3  More Cluster FDDI  configuration questions...
  3028   CGOOA::STHOMPSON     5-MAY-1992     3  Clusters via FDDI bridges??
  3016   TROOA::LEONG        27-APR-1992    15  FDDI performance questions
  2984   TLAVC::TATCHAI       9-APR-1992     4  Bridges and FDDI cluster
  2964  ARGYLE::LEMONS       30-MAR-1992     6  DECbridge 6nn/FDDI to 'sub-segment' a VAXcluster segment
  2963  TOOIS1::MIRGHANE     27-MAR-1992     1  Clustering VAXstations using FDDI
  2951   TROOA::IOSSIFIDIS   16-MAR-1992     4  6000-XXX FDDI remote BOOT
  2931  ALOSWS::MULLER        9-MAR-1992     1  FDDI/3-node cluster question.
  2925  MUDIS3::REPPERMUND    5-MAR-1992     0  Backup Performance over FDDI / Test results?
  2918  TKTVFS::IDO           2-MAR-1992     1  FDDIcluster with DECbridge configuration.
  2888  PRESS1::STUART       17-FEB-1992     3  limit on FDDI connected cluster members
  2826   TRCOA::BISSELL      16-JAN-1992     8  FDDI cluster + shadowing config
  2795     CLO::POLITZER     31-DEC-1991     6  Ethernet, FDDI, 2 clusters question
  2752  SANFAN::RICHARDS_LA   4-DEC-1991     5  FDDI CLUSTER CONFIGURATION
  2694   BLIZZ::BLIZZARD     12-NOV-1991     3  FDDI Performance?
  2637   MINNY::SCHUMACHER   14-OCT-1991     4  CI --> FDDI configuration
  2489   64395::SYSTEM       29-JUL-1991    16  Status of FDDI Clusters?
  2271  WARNUT::FOSSEY       16-APR-1991     1  FDDI configuration guidelines
  1886* DENISE::CARR         25-OCT-1990     8  introducing FDDI Clusters notesfile
    
1705.7thanksDELBOY::THORNTONWed Jun 07 1995 07:505
    Micheal/Larry 
    
    thanks for the pointers ... off i go..
    dt