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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1532.0. "Performance on DEFEA,DEFPA?" by OSAV21::IZUTANI (Kenji Izutani, NIS Consul., DEC-Japan) Thu Dec 15 1994 19:58

Are there a performance information of DEFEA, DEFPA used in 2100 server and 
OSF/1(TCP/IP)?

Kenji Izutani, DEC-Japan, MCS/NIS
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1532.1SMURF::RAJULFri Dec 16 1994 16:3512
>Are there a performance information of DEFEA, DEFPA used in 2100 server and 
>OSF/1(TCP/IP)?

	Actually, DEFPA is better than DEFEA for all protocols on transmits.
	The EISA option can only transmit at about 75 Mbits/sec. The PCI
	will do a full 100 Mbits/sec. Both boards can receive at full speeds.

	This is true on other Alpha PCI-EISA systems. And I believe is true
	for other operating systems (OpenVMS, for example).

	Rajul

1532.2White paper available?OSAV21::IZUTANIKenji Izutani, NIS Consul., DEC-JapanTue Dec 20 1994 03:096
Thanks Rajul,

By the way, is there a "white paper" like Digital Technical Journal in which 
the turbochannel performance was reported?

Kenji Izutani
1532.3NETCAD::STEFANILook Ma, I'm drinking my oatmeal!Tue Dec 20 1994 09:316
>>By the way, is there a "white paper" like Digital Technical Journal in which 
>>the turbochannel performance was reported?
    
    Not today, but there are tentative plans to have one.
    
    /l
1532.4SMURF::RAJULThu Jan 05 1995 10:358
>>By the way, is there a "white paper" like Digital Technical Journal in which 
>>the turbochannel performance was reported?
    
	Vol. 5 No. 1 Winter 1993 discusses DEFTA performance. The title of
	the paper is:

	"High-Performance TCP/IP and UDP/IP Networking in DEC OSF/1 for
	 Alpha AXP"
1532.5Performance dataSMURF::RAJULThu Jan 05 1995 10:4537
Here's performance data for DEFEA and DEFPA. Thanks to
Rick Formalaire in the Unix Performance Group. Note that
DEFPA performs better than DEFEA and V3.2 is better than
V3.0:

    +-------+---------------+---------------+---------------+
    |       | Pair of 2100  | Pair of 2100  | Pair of 2100  |
    |       | with DEFEA    | with DEFPA    | with DEFEA    |
    |       | FDDI Adapters,| FDDI Adapters,| FDDI Adapters,|
    |       | Full Duplex,  | Full Duplex,  | Full Duplex,  |
    |       | OSF V3.2 (BL4)| OSF V3.2 (BL4)| OSF V3.0(BL12)|
    |       +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
    |Message|  TCP  | TCP   |  TCP  | TCP   |  TCP  | TCP   |
    |  Size | Bandw |  TX   | Bandw |  TX   | Bandw |  TX   |
    |       |  MB/s | CPU % |  MB/s | CPU % |  MB/s | CPU % |
    +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
    |    64 | 2.765 | 89.41 | 2.735 | 79.76 | 1.314 | 76.75 |
    |   108 | 3.658 | 83.83 | 3.967 | 86.62 | 2.137 | 77.09 |
    |   112 | 4.361 | 96.23 | 4.117 | 87.33 | 2.020 | 79.40 |
    |   224 | 6.396 | 93.41 | 6.508 | 86.60 | 3.493 | 80.37 |
    |   512 | 8.146 | 92.46 | 9.263 | 87.26 | 5.055 | 85.68 |
    |  1024 | 8.847 | 74.37 | 9.005 | 66.59 | 6.352 | 86.76 |
    |  1460 | 8.740 | 71.17 | 8.894 | 63.81 | 6.420 | 87.18 |
    |  2048 | 8.857 | 66.93 | 9.021 | 57.22 | 7.094 | 90.85 |
    |  3072 | 8.953 | 58.93 | 9.134 | 49.19 | 8.371 | 90.54 |
    |  4096 | 8.956 | 51.47 | 9.089 | 47.99 | 8.621 | 91.33 |
    |  6144 | 8.942 | 51.53 | 9.065 | 47.33 | 8.771 | 85.41 |
    |  8192 | 8.953 | 49.74 | 9.004 | 46.21 | 8.778 | 82.06 |
    | 10240 | 8.955 | 52.06 | 9.145 | 46.98 | 8.700 | 89.24 |
    | 12288 | 8.939 | 50.27 | 9.046 | 45.93 | 8.801 | 86.56 |
    | 14336 | 8.957 | 47.36 | 9.231 | 45.72 | 8.665 | 85.60 |
    | 16384 | 8.884 | 45.70 | 9.420 | 46.93 | 8.577 | 82.18 |
    | 17408 | 8.959 | 48.36 | 9.606 | 48.26 | 8.484 | 82.75 |
    | 18432 | 8.947 | 49.47 | 9.409 | 48.01 | 8.365 | 82.16 |
    | 32768 | 8.931 | 47.77 | 9.544 | 46.02 | 8.447 | 81.94 |
    | 65536 | 8.959 | 45.65 | 9.541 | 45.89 | 8.473 | 81.97 |
    +-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
1532.6OSAV21::IZUTANIKenji Izutani, NIS Consul., DEC-JapanThu Jan 05 1995 18:397
Thanks again, Rajul,

.5 shows that even DEFPA w/3.2 do around 70Mbps.

Earlier reply implies this should be full 100Mbps. I'm confusing...

Kenji
1532.7Possible explanationSMURF::RAJULTue Jan 10 1995 09:3052
>.5 shows that even DEFPA w/3.2 do around 70Mbps.

	The best number was 76.8 Mbps. I suspect the TCP window
	here was not optimum. Will have to check with our test
	engineer and see if that is the case. I have seen close
	to 95 Mbps with TCP/IP on our AlphaStations 200 and 400.
	I used 128 Kb as the window-size. (See attached results 
	of some quick testing I had done a few months ago). 

>Earlier reply implies this should be full 100Mbps. I'm confusing...

	Apologies about the confusion. What I meant to say was that
	under the best circumstances, the DEFEA is limited to 75 Mbps
	while the DEFPA can transmit at speed. The "best" numbers 
	are seen with UDP/IP using optimal transfer sizes.


TCP/IP                  DEFPA/Avanti                    DEFPA/Mustang

Packet Size     Xmt Thruput     Xmt CPU         Rcv Thruput     Rcv CPU
-----------     -----------     -------         -----------     -------

    128            51.8          93.4              50.9          28.4
    512            67.8          69.5              53.9          31.3
   1024            80.9          64.9              80.5          48.7
   1460            88.8          75.5              88.4          53.1
   2048            87.9          63.7              83.4          50.0
   4096            90.8          54.9              86.0          52.3
   8192            92.9          55.2              92.6          57.7
  16384            93.9          55.4              93.6          57.0
  32768            94.3          57.3              94.3          57.8
  65536            94.8          58.3              94.8          57.6


TCP/IP                  DEFPA/Mustang                   DEFPA/Avanti

Packet Size     Xmt Thruput     Xmt CPU         Rcv Thruput     Rcv CPU
-----------     -----------     -------         -----------     -------

    128            26.3          64.4              18.8           7.2
    512            56.8          74.1              56.6          14.5
   1024            71.3          79.3              70.3          30.0
   1460            73.3          80.9              73.3          28.0
   2048            84.8          85.9              76.8          31.5
   4096            91.3          69.9              91.1          36.3
   8192            93.0          67.5              93.0          37.7
  16384            93.8          65.9              93.7          39.2
  32768            94.3          66.5              94.3          37.9
  65536            94.4          69.2              94.4          38.5


Rajul
1532.850% cpu utilization?HURON::LINNELLThu Feb 16 1995 15:107
The HS1xx says it can transmit at 12MB/sec but this says the top speed for the
DEFEA which is used in the HS1xx is 8.9MB/sec.  Moreover, it shows that 50% of
the Alpha CPU is burned transmitting at this speed. That's nearly 100MHz! Can
that be right?  How can data be moved from disk to memory thru CPU to FDDI at
12MB/sec if mere memory to FDDI is 50% of CPU at 8.9 MB/sec?

/Andrew