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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1480.0. "DEFEA-UA >< DEFEA-UB and also a coding question" by BIS5::RUTTENS () Thu Oct 20 1994 13:46

    One of our customers noted that we had a partnumber chang from DEFEA-UB
    to DEFEA-UA. Now he realy wants to know what the difference is between
    both.
    
    Second question: does UTP-PMD and STP-PMD use the same MLT3 coding ?
    I'm confused about this because in this conference I found that they
    both use MLT3 but my customer who I realy respect for his technical 
    knowledge in this field told me the inverse. According to him:
    	UTP-PMD uses MLT3 and
    	STP-PMD uses NRZI.
    Who is right ? 
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1480.156821::STEFANIHave the # for the Mars Observer?Thu Oct 20 1994 14:2022
    >>One of our customers noted that we had a partnumber chang from DEFEA-UB
    >>to DEFEA-UA. Now he realy wants to know what the difference is between
    >>both.
    
    DEFEA-UB is FCC Class A certified and DEFEA-UA is FCC Class B
    certified.  Confusing, isn't it?  :-)
    
    >>Second question: does UTP-PMD and STP-PMD use the same MLT3 coding ?
    >>I'm confused about this because in this conference I found that they
    >>both use MLT3 but my customer who I realy respect for his technical 
    >>knowledge in this field told me the inverse. According to him:
    >>	UTP-PMD uses MLT3 and
    >>	STP-PMD uses NRZI.
    >>Who is right ? 
    
    If the controller supports the ANSI TP-PMD standard, then it uses the
    MLT3 encoding.  I don't believe anyone makes a distinction between a
    UTP or STP PMD.  The NRZ encoding was the older Crescendo CDDI
    equipment, which we've never supported in our hub products.  Is there a
    particular Digital networking product that's in question?

       - Larry
1480.2BIS5::RUTTENSFri Oct 21 1994 05:1917
    Many thanks larry.
    
    Concerning my second question.
    The real problem is that we want to connect a FDDI-Turbochannel 700-c
    controller to a DECconcentrator 900MX. AS you know the 700-c has a 
    BNC and a STP (DB-9) output. So, we want to connect the STP output of
    the 700-c to the UTP of the DC900MX. 
    My concern with this appart from the impedance difference (wich can be
    solfed with a balum) is the encoding of both PMD's. If their is a 
    difference in encoding we can't get arround with or without balum.
    
    If their is no differnce in the encoding can you tell me what cable we 
    have to use to make this work.
    
    
    Rgds.....P.
    
1480.356821::MELARAGNIFri Oct 21 1994 08:4713
    You cannot connect a DEFZA-Cx to a TP-PMD card and expect it to work.
    
    Why?
    	1) The DEFZA uses simple NRZI encoding, 900MX uses MLT-3
    	2) The DEFZA uses a coax cable that supports bidirectional data
    		flow, the 900MX does not (uses a duplex scheme)
    	3) DEFZA does not use scrambled data, 900MX does
    	4) Voltage levels are different and cannot be fixed w/ a simple
   		 balun
    
    We do not support coax FDDI on any new products, only TP-PMD.
    
    bill
1480.4slight modification to .356821::MELARAGNIFri Oct 21 1994 09:085
    ... i didn't read .2 carefully enough. The proposal was to connect the
    STP port of the DEFZA to a TP-PMD port. That means item 2) can be
    ignored. The other three are still correct.
    
    bill
1480.5BIS5::RUTTENSMon Oct 24 1994 04:253
    thanks Bill.