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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1406.0. "Troubleshooting hints for DEFEB" by VAXRIO::CUPOLILLO () Mon Jul 18 1994 15:21

 

     Hi,

     I have a customer that bought a pair  of DEFEB bridges to interconnect two
ETHERNET LANs (THINWIRE).  The distance between the two LANs is around 8 miles.
To do that they bought  a DEFEB-DP and a  DEFEB-DM, they also contracted a firm
to install the optical  single-mode link, using  FC_PC connectors  and 62.5/125
micron fiber, the link has only one pair of fibers.  After  connecting  the  SM
port A of one bridge to the SM port B of the other, we got the following situa-
tion for the LEDs on the  FI module: FI BAD-OFF, FI ACT1-OFF, FI-FWD1-BLINKING,
PHY1 e PHY2 BLINKING GREEN.

     By the indication above we thought that  the problem would be in the link,
to check that we tried to run the  selftest using the SM loopback, and  the re-
sult of the test with loopback led us to the same indications for the FI module
LEDs.  During  the setup for the  loopback test we noticed that the single-mode
loopback supplied with the bridges don't  lock on the connectors at the back of
the Bridge, is this normal?  

     As we don't have good  knowledgement of FDDI, I would like to receive some
hints about any other points to check.

     Many thanks,

     Cupol
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1406.1koning.lkg.dec.com::koningPaul Koning, B-16504Mon Jul 18 1994 17:354
Did you REALLY mean single mode and 62.5/125 fiber?  That's not valid,
since 62.5/125 is multimode fiber.

	paul
1406.2I am checking the fiber typeVAXRIO::CUPOLILLOTue Jul 19 1994 12:0814

     It seens strange to me, too.  I received this info from our techinician
at the customer's site.  I will check this with the guys that installed the
link and as soon as I get the answer I will put it here.

     Meanwhile, I would like to ask some more questions about the loopback
test.  I would like to know if it is necessary to disconnect the bridge from
the Ethernet and use a NI loopback at the NI port to run the selftest?  Is it
necessary to use the two loopbacks connectors (single and multimode) to run
the test?  What will be the leds status of the FI board at the end of the 
test?

    Cupol
1406.362.5/125 is most likely ok to use.....4371::BATTERSBYTue Jul 19 1994 13:3710
    Well I looked up an old table of fiber types that could be used
    on the DEBAM-RF/RG single mode fiber bridges, and 62.5/125 micron
    fiber is an allowable fiber type for 1300 nm optics, and suggests
    a 17db power budget, 10km distance, and minimum attenuation of 7db.
    Again, these numbers I mention are for the DEBAM-RF/RG single mode
    fiber interface as an example of a single mode fiber bridge which
    uses the 62.5/125 micron fiber (obviously terminated in the proper
    connectors normally used for single mode fiber).
    
    Bob
1406.4Multimode only on DEBAM-RF4371::PAGLIARORich Pagliaro, Hub Products GroupTue Jul 19 1994 13:447
    Bob,
    
    The DEBAM-RF didn't use single mode optics. The increased distance was
    achieved by using a full-duplex ethernet interface and multi-mode
    optics with a greater power budget than that specified for FOIRL.
    
    -Rich
1406.5Corrected, FDDI SM fiber more like 8-10/125 size....4371::BATTERSBYTue Jul 19 1994 14:027
    Yeah...you're right, it's been that long since I looked at that
    stuff for DEBAM. 
    Yup single mode fiber for FDDI is more on the order of 8-10 microns
    for a core diameter & a cladding diameter of 125 microns. It's 
    designed to work at a wavelength of 1300 nm.
    
    Bob
1406.6They used the right fiberIMTDEV::CUPOLILLOTue Jul 19 1994 18:4119
     Talking with the responsables for the link installation I confirmed that
they used 8-10/125 fiber with FC/PC connectors.

     Now, when we connect the two bridges via the optical link, we get the 
following status in FI board: FI BAD - OFF, ACT1 - OFF, FWD1 - BLINK, PH1 -
BLINK GREEN, PHY2 - BLINK GREEN.  Disconnecting the bridge from the Ethernet
and using an Ethernet loopback and FDDI loopbacks for ports A (single) and
port B (multi) and setting switch 7 to selftest we get: FI BAD - OFF, ACT1 -
ON, FWD1 - OFF, PH1 - ON RED, PH2 - OFF, with these indications what may be
the conclusion about the bridge functionality?

     The customer uses DECNET and TCP/IP over the network.  Is it necessary
configure any other parameter in the bridge to get it to work?

     Excuse me for the silly questions, but this the first time I faced a FDDI
bridge troubleshooting.

     Cupol
1406.7Link loss value?NOTAPC::LEVYWed Jul 27 1994 17:385
    What's the measured loss on the SM link? Must be at least 12dB and less
    than 22dB.
    
    With a distance of only ~13km, the loss may be too small without an
    attenuator.