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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1394.0. "FDDI/XID/Module Configurator" by CSC32::J_SHUMWAY () Mon Jul 11 1994 12:08

    When running the module configurator from NCP see the following
    from an FDDI controller via a bridge. The circuit name appears
    incorrect and the both address fields show the DPA. The DEC
    FDDI Controller 400 Technical Description states that Periodic
    System IDs send only MLA (My Long Address). The controller has
    started DECnet Phase IV. Is this the expected behavior? 
    
    
    Circuit name             = MNA-0 <--------------
    Surveillance flag        = enabled
    Elapsed time             = 00:25:04
    Physical address         = 08-00-2B-2F-69-66 <------------------
    Time of last report      = 11-Jul 08:09:16
    Maintenance version      = V3.0.0
    Function list            = Loop
    Hardware address         = 08-00-2B-2F-69-66 <------------------
    Device type              = MFA
    
    
    
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1394.1NETRIX::thomasThe Code WarriorMon Jul 11 1994 13:161
That's to be expected.
1394.2the details?CSC32::J_SHUMWAYMon Jul 11 1994 13:461
    I thought so, could someone elaborate?
1394.3NETRIX::thomasThe Code WarriorMon Jul 11 1994 14:053
In what way?  Just because DECnet has enabled a different physical address,
it doesn't that address will be used by any other protocol on the FDDI
controller.
1394.4CSC32::J_SHUMWAYMon Jul 11 1994 16:255
    >In what way?
    
    I guess I am looking for an explantation to pass on to a customer so 
    he (I) can understand the differnece in how the XID is formed on each
    controller for periodic sys ids. 
1394.5NETRIX::thomasThe Code WarriorMon Jul 11 1994 16:511
SYSIDs are not XIDs.  So there are no XIDs exchanged or sent.
1394.6KONING::koningPaul Koning, B-16504Mon Jul 11 1994 18:3629
SYSIDs are part of the MOP protocol and are sent according to the rules
in that protocol.

MOP does not require any special addresses, the way DECnet Phase IV does.
If your datalink only supports one individual address at a time, then
all protocols are forced to use the DECnet address if DECnet Phase IV is
enabled.  MOP doesn't object to this; as a result, you often see SYSID
messages with the Phase IV style physical address.  The Hardware Address
field, of course, shows the actual ROM address belonging to the datalink.

On datalinks that support multiple individual addresses, DECnet can change
the address it uses without affecting other protocols.  In that case,
each protocol gets to pick its own address; if no preference is expressed,
the hardware address is used.

Multiple individual address support is optional on Ethernet hardware and
mandatory on FDDI.  I know that at least some systems treat all Ethernet
hardware as single-address even if the hardware can do better; I don't know
if others do differently.  In any case, on FDDI the support is required, so
on FDDI protocols that don't ask for a specific address will get the
hardware address.  That's why the SYSID looks as it does.

Well, that answers one part.  It doesn't answer "why is the circuit type wrong".
It may be that the configurator is confused, or it may be that the DEMFA 
driver is sending the wrong code.  A LAN analyzer or packet trace would
help settle that question.  (It's definitely a bug, the only question is
in which component.)

	paul
1394.7NETRIX::thomasThe Code WarriorMon Jul 11 1994 18:502
The circuit is the name of the circuit the sysid was received over.  What
it a DEMNA?  Then it isn't wrong.
1394.8CSC32::J_SHUMWAYMon Jul 11 1994 18:582
    The circuit name is indeed correct, MNA-0 is the receiver. Thanks for
    the replys.
1394.9koning.lkg.dec.com::koningPaul Koning, B-16504Tue Jul 12 1994 11:524
Oops, sorry, I mistook "circuit name" for "device type".  It is indeed
correct.

	paul
1394.10DEMFA (DEC-7000) LLC2/X.25 problemOZROCK::GRIFFITHSTony, Networks Engineering @ OZYThu Feb 16 1995 20:0112
    Other can creating a new note, can someone explain why the DEMFA "eats"
    XID and TEST PDUs?  The passing up of XIDs to the datalink is vital for
    LLC2 Class 2 Type 2 connections.  They are also needed by the SNA
    software (SNA Peer Server).
    
    Currently we have a problem whereby X.25 on a DEC-7000 running OSF/1
    cannot connect to a DECnis because of the behaviour of the DEMFA.
    
    Who is the Product Mgr for this device?  Is there a Sustaining
    Engineer?
    
    Tony