| Title: | FDDI - The Next Generation |
| Moderator: | NETCAD::STEFANI |
| Created: | Thu Apr 27 1989 |
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Hi all-
I'm on site at JP Morgan in New York where they have recently
implemented 3 FDDI rings, tied together with 2 GIGAswitches. Things
are mostly working well (if one discounts minor problems certain TCP/ip
implementations for MS-DOS) but I have been asked to follow up on the
amount of traffic that should be caused by VOID Frames. I'm attaching
a note from one of the network architects at JPM with his observations
for network utilization. I understand that ring purging is only using
unused utilization, but I guess I don't understand the details well
enough to articulate it.
In addition to the GIGAswitches, there are DECbridge 620's & 900MX's,
CISCO AGS+ & 7000's, Synoptics concentrators, plus workstation with
NIC's from Digital, Madge, NPI and SUN.
Thanks much!
Tom Herendeen
NY PSC
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Today I used FDDI Sniffer to measure the FDDI ring utilization.
According to the sniffer, both FDDI Backbone rings utilization for
user data is about 4-6%. But if FDDI sniffer includes DEC void frame,
the utilization is around 10-12%. I already talked to Tom H and
hopefully we will find out the reason for the high overhead of Void
frame.
Chung
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| 1341.1 | Try searching the notes file, you will probably find your answer... | CSC32::B_GOODWIN | MCI Mission Critical Support Team | Tue May 24 1994 11:02 | 2 |
You should search this notes file for the info you are looking for. There is a lot of info regarding your subject. | |||||
| 1341.2 | KONING::KONING | Paul Koning, B-16504 | Tue May 24 1994 17:22 | 3 | |
See note 972, reply 1 for starters... paul | |||||
| 1341.3 | Please don't make smug replies | NYOSS1::HERENDEEN | Tom Herendeen @NYO, 352-2936 | Wed May 25 1994 09:53 | 17 |
re .1
I don't feel like getting into a bit of name calling but before someone
makes a "suggestion" that there are lots of topics relating to void
frames in this conference, perhaps he/she should do a DIR/title=void (3
entries, 1251.2 was the only thing close) or show keyword/all (one
entry under void_frames (1251.2) and see how really few entries there
in fact are.
If searching by title or keyword is an inappropriate way to search out
information, too bad. I DO NOT HAVE TIME TO READ EACH AND EVERY NOTE
with titles like "WHY DO WE DO THESE THINGS". Perhaps people who make
entries here could spend a little more time to use descriptive titles.
re .2
Paul, thanks for the tip
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| 1341.4 | Search command can help | SSDEVO::PARRIS | RAID-5 vs. RAID-1: n+1 << 2n, in $$$ | Wed May 25 1994 11:28 | 12 |
> If searching by title or keyword is an inappropriate way to search out > information, too bad. I DO NOT HAVE TIME TO READ EACH AND EVERY NOTE > with titles like "WHY DO WE DO THESE THINGS". Another technique I use is the VAXnotes SEARCH command. You could have used: Notes> SEARCH "VOID FRAMES" to get a search started. Then enter: Notes> SEARCH without an argument to find the next note with that same string. This is slower than a directory or keyword lookup, but much faster than scanning notes visually. | |||||
| 1341.5 | CSC32::B_GOODWIN | MCI Mission Critical Support Team | Wed May 25 1994 12:25 | 6 | |
re .3 I wasn't making s smug reply, I was simply stating all you have to do is a little research. Not only you don't have time, but other people don't have time to search through the notesfile for your questions. It was nice of paul that he had a pointer to the correct note to give you. | |||||
| 1341.6 | KONING::KONING | Paul Koning, B-16504 | Wed May 25 1994 15:11 | 6 | |
I added a keyword on the note in question. Which brings me to a lesson learned: it's a good idea to put a keyword on when you write a note that has a detailed explanation of something and is likely to be useful for reference much later. paul | |||||
| 1341.7 | And the Ring Purger paper says... | NYOSS1::HERENDEEN | Tom Herendeen @NYO, 352-2936 | Thu May 26 1994 10:54 | 24 |
In order to understand the utilization issue at JP Morgan, I have been
reading an article by Henry Yang and KK Ramakrishman of Digital titled
"A Ring Purger for the FDDI Token Ring" (published 90 or 91, I have a
very dog-earred copy" with no publication information) and it states:
"In the worst case, with the minimum value of TTRT and the value of D
-> 0, the percentage loss in the maximum available bandwidth of 0.22%.
For a typical ring, with 20 stations, and a 4 millisecond TTRT, the
reduction in the maximum available bandwidth is of the order of
0.135%".
Since Chung Szeto is seeing a utilization increase of 6 to 8% with a
Network General Sniffer; I need to ask two things:
Are we implementing Ring purging in the DB900's and the GIGAswitch the
same way we did for the DB620's (in other words according to the
paper)? or do we have a problem here? (I'm trying to get hold of
someone in GS engineering and the DB900 group who could clarify this,
Anil Rijsinghani is pretty confident that we have done things properly).
Is the sniffer broken? (I read that tekalec has problems too)
Have a good weekend!
Tom Herendeen
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| 1341.8 | Ring Utilization from voids | QUIVER::PARISEAU | Luc Pariseau | Thu May 26 1994 12:46 | 8 |
First, all DEC FDDI products use the same Ring Purger. Second, 6-8% used by voids DOESN'T mean that you have only 92-94% left for non-void frames. As the amount of "real" (non-void) traffic increases, the number of void frames will decrease. Luc | |||||
| 1341.9 | KONING::KONING | Paul Koning, B-16504 | Thu May 26 1994 17:00 | 77 | |
There's more to this than one number can summarize, and you also have to keep in mind that increased utilization, or increased packet rate, does not equal lost capacity. There's a lot more detail in that paper, but let me summarize here: The purpose of the ring purger is to remove "no owner" frames (and other extraneous junk) from the ring. No owner frames can cause a high load on end systems, and may persist for a long time in the absence of the purger. They are generated by bit errors on the wire, and also appear to be created (in large numbers) by certain bad FDDI implementations (not ours). The mechanism: each time the ring purger sees a token, it sends two void frames with its own SA/DA in them, followed by the token. It then strips all packets until it receives its void frames or a token. This removes any circulating (no owner) frames from the ring. The result is that any no-owner frame will live for at most ONE additional rotation around the ring, i.e., no packet will ever travel around the ring more than twice even if its owner failed to strip it. The performance impact on the ring: 1. The token is replaced by two voids plus token. So the token arrival at downstream stations is delayed by the time it takes to transmit two void frames, which is 4.48 �s. (Henry and KK use 5.08 �s; I'm not sure why.) 2. If the ring is 100% busy (i.e., as busy as the protocol allows it to be) THEN AND ONLY THEN does the space occupied by those two void frames reduce the ring capacity. On each token rotation (which is once per TTRT on average), 4.48 �s is taken away. On each token rotation, TTRT-D (D = ring latency) can be sent. If you set TTRT to the minimum, and D = DMax (i.e., an enormously big ring with minimum TTRT) then you get 2.227 ms of traffic per token rotation. So losing 4.48 �s means a capacity loss of 0.2%. 3. If the ring is less than 100% busy, then some of the time the ring is carrying idles rather than data. Suppose that the ring is 99% busy. That means that you have TTRT/100 idle after each token; for TTRT = 4 ms that means 40 �s of idles after the token. If you now turn on the ring purger, you replace the pattern "Token, 40 �s idle" by "Void, Void, Token, 35.52 �s idle". In other words, at any load below 99.8%, there is NO, repeat, NO, loss in throughput. All that happened is that 4.48 �s of idles are replaced by a Void (and of course the token was delayed by that amount, as stated in (1) above). The behavior observed by a network analyzer: each time the token passes by, the analyzer will see two voids followed by the token. Now remember how the timed-token FDDI MAC protocol works: if the ring is completely idle, no station is capturing the token, so the token rotates once per D (D = ring latency). So every D, the analyzer will see two voids. For example, if you have a ring with a 100 �s latency -- a nice modest size ring -- the analyzer would report 20,000 voids per second. If you look at the number of bytes in a Void frame, and the raw capacity of the ring, you might conclude that the ring has 2% utilitization. But that is an incorrect conclusion, since the Void frames are really no different from idles. (It would make as much, or rather as little, sense to count the "traffic" of tokens as "utilization".) As you increase the load, the token rotates more slowly, since it is captured and held while a data packet is sent. For example, at 50% load, the token rotates once per 2D. So the analyzer will see void frames occurring at 1/2 the rate it saw when the ring was idle. But again, that is not "utilization" in any sense. In summary: 1. The purger will clean up no-owner frames and improve your network reliability and performance. 2. The presence of the purger increases your transmit latency by less than 5 microseconds. 3. The presence of the purger has ZERO effect on throughput unless the ring load is greater than 99.8%. 4. At ring loads greater than 99.8%, the purger reduces the capacity of the ring by at most 0.2% (in a very extreme configuration) and by under 0.1% in any reasonable configuration. For more details, see the original paper, in Proceedings of the 16th Conference on Local Computer Networks, 1991, IEEE; ISBN 0-8186-2370-0. paul | |||||
| 1341.10 | Thanks! | NYOSS1::HERENDEEN | Tom Herendeen @NYO, 352-2936 | Thu Jun 02 1994 11:51 | 7 |
Paul-
Thanks for the EXCELLENT synopsis! and for your time too!
The pointer to the original doc is appreciated too, my copy has several
unreadable sections.
Tom H.
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