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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1233.0. "FDDI and 64xx Problems????" by KZOVAX::STOUGHTON () Thu Feb 10 1994 11:28

    Has anyone seen this?
    
    CONFIGURATION: 6620, 6410, and 6460 in a cluster. Each has had a DEMFA
    installed recently. 
     
      The demfas are connected to a DECconcentrator 500, along with a 7610
    (VAX) on one fiber card. 
    
     PROBLEM: The 7610 and 6620 show no problems. The 6410, and 6460 appear
      to transmit ok but are extremely slow on receive.
    
     EXAMPLE: if you transmit a file from the 64xx systems, the transfer
    time is seconds but, if you receive the same file back it takes
    minutes. 
    
     Since the customer uses throughway to do backups, it now takes hours
    longer than using DENMAs.
    
     FDDI revs are identical on all systems.
     
     Thanks in advance
      Gregg
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1233.1STAR::GAGNEDavid Gagne - VMS/LAN DevelopmentThu Feb 10 1994 14:335
    Try using some tools to determine if it's the network or the system
    that's the bottleneck.
    
    Check your LRPSIZE/LRPCOUNT SYSGEN parameters on all the nodes - if
    you're running a system where these count.
1233.2Here's What They HaveKZOVAX::STOUGHTONFri Feb 11 1994 12:3715
    Currently all three nodes in question have a lrpsize of 1504 and a
    lrpcount of 1024.
    
     The interesting thing is that when the systems were running debnas
    there were no problems since the addition of the FDDI, Only the 6460
    and 6410 run slow. The 6620 runs fine.
    
     The customer is upgrading to 7.2 firmware for the FDDI, replacing
    the DECconcentrator 500 module, and is updating Pathworks to the latest
    rev.
    
     The last time the concentrator was powered down the problem seemed to 
    clear up for a few days.
    
    Gregg
1233.3STAR::GAGNEDavid Gagne - VMS/LAN DevelopmentFri Feb 11 1994 13:568
    There LRPSIZE should be in the 4000-5000 range if you want the same
    performance as you had before FDDI.  With such a small LRPSIZE, the
    FDDI data structures aren't coming out of the look aside lists; instead
    they're coming out of regular non-paged pool which can be CPU costly.
    
    There are some articles available about setting LRPSIZE for systems
    with FDDI adapters.  I would assume that the CSCs have one available.
    This applies only to OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2 and earlier.
1233.4NPSS::WADENetwork Systems SupportMon Feb 14 1994 09:116
    LRPSIZE should be => 4541; see blitz #1341, March 11, 1993.
    The LRPSIZE is at least partially to blame  for the perf prob.
    
    I don't know why the 6620 isn't showing the problem.
    
    
1233.5THANK YOU...KZOVAX::STOUGHTONTue Feb 15 1994 11:358
    I found out that the 6620 IS having the problem. It is not as quickly
    noticable.
    
     We will be reseting the parameters tonight on a test cluster.
    
     Thanks for all the help,
    
     Gregg
1233.6STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Wed Feb 23 1994 15:418
    What kind of protocols does this problem relate to? 
    
    I have a customer with 4 10/100 bridges for 8 floors of a building. The
    connection for all the Ethernet systems is FDDI via a VAX-6000 model
    620 with a DEMFA. There are running OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2. Does this LRP
    size affect everything?
    
    Can someone post the "BLITZ" message for all to see? 
1233.7STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Fri Feb 25 1994 14:051
    Can't anyone help out -.1?
1233.8NPSS::WADENetwork Systems SupportFri Feb 25 1994 16:1378
    An easy way to see if you are having the problem is to go into sda and
    see if your 4896 byte VCRPs are allocated from non-paged pool
    
    	sda> show pool/typ=vcrp/head
    
    The blitz -
      
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Subj:	SYSGEN Parameter LRPSIZE must be Incremented for ALL FDDI equipped VAX Systems Running VMS version 5.4-3 through 5.5-2.

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      BLITZ TITLE:  SYSGEN Parameter LRPSIZE must be Incremented for ALL FDDI
	      	    equipped VAX Systems Running VMS version 5.4-3 through 
		    5.5-2.
                    
                                            	DATE: March 11, 1993
      AUTHOR: Bill Wade      		        TD #: 1341
      DTN: 226-6271                             
      ENET: VCSESU::WADE     			CROSS REFERENCE #'s:
      DEPARTMENT: VAXcluster SASE  		(PRISM/TIME/CLD#'s) 
                                                        
      INTENDED AUDIENCE: ALL 			PRIORITY LEVEL:  1
      (U.S./EUROPE/GIA)
                                                 (1=TIME CRITICAL,
                                                  2=NON-TIME CRITICAL)
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 PROBLEM: 

	There is a high probability that VAX Systems running VMS version 
	5.4-3 through 5.5-2 and equipped with an FDDI adapter(s) are running 
	with an incorrectly sized LRPSIZE parameter value. The result is 
	receive buffers are allocated from general pool rather than from 
	the LRP lookaside list which results in a degradation of system 
	performance.  

	If the LRPSIZE parameter value is not large enough for the data 
	structures holding the incoming messages, the buffers in the data 
	link driver's receive ring will be carved out of nonpaged pool 
	rather than LRPs.  Allocation from nonpaged pool is much more 
	expensive than from the LRP lookaside list and the nonpaged pool 
	allocation is done at ipl 11 while the data link drivers do most of 
	their work at ipl 8.
                                  
        The release notes for VMS 5.4-3 specify a value for the LRPSIZE 
	parameter of 4474 for VAX Systems equipped with FDDI.  This value 
	must be increased by 131 (4605) for VMS version 5.4-3 and 67 (4541)
	for VMS version 5.5 thru 5.5-2.  This is ONLY required for FDDI 
	equipped VAX Systems running VMS version 5.4-3 through 5.5-2. 

 RESOLUTION:

 	All FDDI equipped VAX Systems running VMS version 5.4-3 should have 
	the LRPSIZE parameter set to a mimimum of 4605.  All FDDI equipped 
	VAX Systems running VMS version 5.5 through 5.5-2 should have the 
	LRPSIZE parameter set to a mimimum of 4541.  This SYSGEN parameter 
	change requires that the system be rebooted.  

 ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:

	This adjustment may require an increase in LRPCOUNT as more LRPs 
	will be consumed.  This can be determined by monitoring the LRP 
	lookaside list using the $ SHOW MEMORY/POOL/FULL command. 

	Autogen should be run with the feedback option if the current size 
	for the LRP lookaside list has increased beyond the initial size.
            
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