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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1191.0. "TCP/IP Performance Data??" by DVOPAS::SQRONE::HOOVER (Greg Hoover - DMD Sales Support) Tue Dec 28 1993 17:10

One of my customers is trying to put together a configuration with multiple
DEC 3000/800's tied together via FDDI and Gigaswitch. They have a requirement
to move some large data files between systems with a time constraint. They
are looking at using TCP/IP as a protocol. I would like to find some performance
data on throughput over FDDI using TCP/IP to determine appropriateness of FDDI as
a physical media. Further identification of such information as to the impact
of buffer size, etc. would be helpful.
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1191.1is disk throughput a concern?MUDDY::WATERSThu Dec 30 1993 10:2514
>DEC 3000/800's tied together via FDDI and Gigaswitch. They have a requirement
>to move some large data files between systems with a time constraint. They
>are looking at using TCP/IP as a protocol. I would like to find some
>performance data on throughput over FDDI using TCP/IP to determine 

    Though I don't have the details, UDP on DEC 3000/500 saturates an FDDI
    (over 95 Mb/s).  For DEC 3000/800, I expect that TCP/IP will saturate
    one FDDI link (> 95 Mb/s), and possibly go much higher (fill 1.7 FDDI
    links, for example).

    I have not heard of anyone with a disk configuration that sustains
    95 Mb/s, e.g., using NFS and UDP.  You said "data file".  If you really
    mean "file", and not "data block in memory", worry about the disk
    subsystem before the network stack.
1191.2QUIVER::STEFANIHave the # for the Mars Observer?Thu Dec 30 1993 14:196
    There is a whitepaper on the subject of using TCP/IP over FDDI on Alpha
    systems.  It's on the gatekeeper.dec.com FTP server:
    
    		/pub/DEC/DECinfo/whitepaper/hiperf-tcp.ps
    
       - Larry 
1191.3Real Issue is Network ContentionDVOPAS::SQRONE::HOOVERGreg Hoover - DMD Sales SupportMon Jan 03 1994 11:574
The real issue that the customer is concerned with is effective thruput with 
multiple systems using the FDDI network. The paper mention in .-1 is nice for
a point-to-point maximum thruput, but we are really trying to find out
what kind of thruput we can expect on a loaded network.
1191.4KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, B-16504Mon Jan 03 1994 12:174
That's a good reason for using a Gigaswitch: you get full dedicated FDDI
performance on each of its ports...

	paul
1191.5Too many systems to rely on Gigaswitch!!DVOPAS::SQRONE::HOOVERGreg Hoover - DMD Sales SupportMon Jan 03 1994 15:3813
>That's a good reason for using a Gigaswitch: you get full dedicated FDDI
>performance on each of its ports...

Yes, that would be nice, but in this solution there are more than 34 systems to
deal with. The Gigaswitch in this solution will serve multiple rings with
multiple systems on each ring. We really need to get end-to-end performance data
on a single ring under contention by the multiple systems.

It would be ideal if I could see some kind of performance characterization of the
end-to-end thruput on a ring based on number of simultaneous systems using the
bandwidth of the ring. I know I won't be able to see exact numbers to match this
particular configuration, but it would be helpful to see what happens to the 
95Mbps when there are 10, 20, 30, ... simultaneous "file transfers" occurring.
1191.6KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, B-16504Mon Jan 03 1994 16:476
The total capacity should be unchanged independent of the number of active
clients.  If they are all comparable, they should all get an equal share.
If some have small queues and others have big queues, the ones with the
big queues will tend to get a bigger share.

	paul