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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1116.0. "Help for customer" by WELLIN::MCCALLUM () Fri Oct 15 1993 05:17

     I have a customer with a question - can anyone help ?
    
    I don't know what the Green book is ? 
    
    Is STP an industry or proprietary standard?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Dave McCallum.
    
I have a few questions about low level FDDI over STP problems. We have DEC 500 
and Interphase 1600 concentrators. We also have STP Sparc cards from Interphase
(4611) and NPI and our own FDDI product. 

When the Interphase card is connected to the DEC concentrator or the NPI card
to the interphase concentrator the link fails. The Interphase end indicates no 
signal detected and the other end fail to establish a link. Our own STP cards 
connects successfully to both concentrators. 

Since fibre works in all combinations I assume this is not a SMT problem. It 
has been suggested that one produce is using SDDI and one the Green Book 
standard.

Has this problem been observed before ?

Is there a solution ?

			Thanks, in advance, for any help

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1116.1LEVERS::THOMPSONFri Oct 15 1993 12:2617
    There are presently more than one implemtation of FDDI STP in the
    market.  One is the so called Green book standard.  Why green?  I don't
    know other than maybe the first cover of the first draft copy was
    green.  This standard was put together by five or six companies.  I
    don't recall all of the companies but DEC, Synoptics, Motorola were
    some of the companies.
    
    The other standard you refer to was SDDI.  I think what you really mean
    is CDDI.  Crescendo is the creater of CDDI.  CDDI is not compatible
    with the Green book standard.  I'm not sure what Interphase but I'm not
    surprised you are having problems.
    
    The good thing is that a standard for copper FDDI has emerged from the
    ANSI committee that will be a true standard.  As true as standards get.
    Products built to this standard should be available in the near future.
    
    Bruce.
1116.2Some additional clarification on STPLEVERS::B_CRONINMon Oct 18 1993 11:1622
    
    There are many proprietary STP FDDI systems right now. The Green 
    Book is the one that Digital helped develop, and it is the basis for
    our 150 ohm (i.e. type 1 and 2) STP product set. 
    
    IBM chose not to support the Green Book STP document, and developed
    a proprietary system of their own, which they called SDDI. They got
    support from many companies for this. It DOES NOT interoperate with
    the Green Book document. 
    
    CDDI refers to Cresecendo Communications implementation of FDDI on
    copper. It is usually used on 100 ohm category 5 UTP cables; I am not 
    sure whether it supports STP or not. Crescendo was recently purchased by
    cisco systems, and now does business under the cisco name. 
    
    Finally, as Bruce pointed out, the ANSI standard is pretty close
    to completion. That standard will support category 5 UTP and 150 
    ohm STP. It will not interoperate with all of the other things out
    there today. If all goes well the standard will go to ballot in
    December.