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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1048.0. "FDDI Configuration" by MLNCSC::FACCHETTI () Wed Aug 04 1993 04:15

hello, Can works this type of network ?

Backbonne is FDDI
VAX 6310 have ethernet Interface and FDDI interface
The protocol used is only DECnet PHASE IV


ETHERNET                                        ETHERNET
	--+---------------------------      --+------------------------------
          |                                   |
          |                                   |
          |    ETHERNET                               ETHERNET
          |   --+----------+---------         |    -----+------------+-----
          |     |          |                  |         |            |
          |     |          |                  |         |            |
          |     |      +---+---+              |         |       +----+----+
          |     |      | 6310  |              |         |       |  6310   |
          |     |      +---+---+              |         |       +----+----+
          |     |          |                  |         |            |
          |     |          | FDDI             |         |            |FDDI
          |     |          |                  |         |            |  
      +---+-----+---+      |              +---+---------+---+        |
      | Dec bridge  |      |              | Dec Bridge      |        |
      |   6xx       |      |              |    6xx          |        |
      +-------------+      |              +-----------------+        |
            |              |                       |                 |
            |              |                       |                 |
    +--------------------------------------------------------------------+
    |          DEC Concentrator 5xx                                      |
    +--------------------------------------------------------------------+
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1048.1this kind of bridging may cause you problemsROYALT::RASPUZZIMichael Raspuzzi - LAT Engineering et alWed Aug 04 1993 08:4219
�hello, Can works this type of network ?
    
    No, if this is true:
    
�The protocol used is only DECnet PHASE IV
    
    The reason why I say no is that you have multiple adapters on one
    system and they all use the AA-00-04-00-xx-xx address.  Since all the
    adapters are on the same logical LAN, you will have multiple stations
    with the same LAN address (this is a network violation).  On one of
    your ethernets, the 6310 will have 2 connections (the FDDI controller
    and the ethernet controller).
    
    DECnet phase V should work fine in this configuration and LAVCs allow
    for it too.  LAT and DECnet phase IV do not work very well on all the
    controllers with that configuration.
    
    Mike
                                 
1048.2KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Wed Aug 04 1993 11:329
This configuration will work ONLY if you turn DECnet on for only ONE of the
LAN ports on each node.

A good way to look at configuration questions like this: replace all FDDI
connections by Ethernet connections.  Now ask yourself the question whether
the result is legal.  If yes, then the corresponding FDDI configuration is
legal also.

	paul
1048.3JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - NaC Tech Support - 264-3320Wed Aug 04 1993 17:257
> This configuration will work ONLY if you turn DECnet on for only ONE of the
> LAN ports on each node.
    
    Not only must DECnet not be turned on on more than one of these ports, it
    need to not even be defined.  In other words,  NCP> SET LINE xyz STATE OFF 
    is *NOT* good enough.  You need to NCP> PURGE LINE xyz ALL and then reboot.
    Where "xyz" is the "second" line, of course.
1048.4Why is FDDI different?GEOFF::SCHULTZLKG 1-2/W6 - Pole B11 - DTN 226-6145Fri Aug 06 1993 11:194
	This is news to me.  Then again I've never had a system with dual
	FDDI controllers.  With Ethernet I could have both of the DEFINEd,
	but only 1 on.  Why is FDDI different?
							-- Geoff
1048.5JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - NaC Tech Support - 264-3320Fri Aug 06 1993 15:1212
    I don't think FDDI is different.
    
    I think you probably had a problem and just were not noticing it. 
    Either that, or your two ethernet adapters where connected to
    completely seperate ethernets (no bridges).
    
    Unless something has changed or I have been halucinating, if you have a
    LAN device DEFINEd when DECnet starts up, it will be SET.  Even if it
    is STATE OFF, being SET will cause DECnet to assign a channel to it
    and, in the process, initialize it to the DECnet modified address. 
    Once that has happened, the device will send frames from the DECnet
    modified address and the bridges will learn the location.  
1048.6UPSAR::THOMASThe Code WarriorSat Aug 07 1993 16:585
    In the Ethernet case, then were probably both on the same segment so
    they way the identical traffic.  With FDDI, there will bridges in the
    way they will think you are one side or the other.  Imagine what
    happens when the "other" adapter receives the wrong packets.  Usually,
    they just get dropped.
1048.7DECnet on 2 interfaces - only 1 connected to LANROMEOS::RICHARDS_LAMon Dec 13 1993 21:0115
    Hi There,
    
    All of the above info makes perfect sense to me, but can anyone tell me why
    enabling DECnet on both the FDDI and Ethernet interface and then only
    attaching the Ethernet interface to the network would cause DECnet to
    be extemely slow.  We recently began installing an Alpha 3000/500.  We
    connected only the Ethernet interface and noticed that NCP commands
    were extremely slow.  We then noticed that DECnet line and circuits
    were up on both the FDDI and Ethernet.  We immediatley turned off
    DECnet on the unconnected FDDI interface and the slowness vanished. 
    Would the FDDI DAT test have anything to do with this strange behavior?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Laurie