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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1022.0. "FBUS_FDDI_PROD_INFO" by DELNI::G_NIELSEN () Fri Jul 09 1993 11:23

    This note is a place holder -
    
    To date, FUTUREBUS+ to FDDI capability has only been "Program
    Announced" for both LASER and COBRA.
    
    If and When approved, product specifc info will be posted here.
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1022.1DRAFT - FBUS/FDDI Sales UpdateDELNI::G_NIELSENFri Sep 17 1993 11:57177
DEC FDDIcontroller/FUTUREBUS+ Open Systems Network Interface Card

CONTACT

George Nielsen DTN: 226-5510, (508)486-5510, LKG2-1/W06

HIGHLIGHTS

* Provides FDDI connectivity for Digital's DEC 4000, and alternative FDDI 
  connectivity for DEC 7000/10000 w/FUTUREBUS+ I/O Backplane Option

* Includes SMT V7.2 for continued multi-vendor Interoperability, and uses 
  DMA transfers on both transmit and receive to minimize CPU overhead

* Supported by OpenVMS AXP V1.5 or later, and OSF/1 V1.3 or later

CUSTOMER PROBLEM

o Need for high bandwidth FDDI local area network connectivity on DEC 4000,
  or alternative FDDI Connectivity on DEC 7000 and 10000 

o Requires Dual Attachment Station (DAS) option to support connecting Servers
  directly in an FDDI dual ring without a wiring concentrator or hub, or as
  as "dual-homed" connection to two wiring concentrators

o Requires Single Attachment Station (SAS) option to simplify end-user station
  management and to isolate the backbone from end-user reconfiguration
  disruptions

o Requires extended distance (>2KM) between stations to support for example:
  fault tolerant, or multi-datacenter configurations 

DIGITAL SOLUTION

The DEC FDDIcontroller/FUTUREBUS+ provides FUTUREBUS+ to FDDI connectivity 
for Digital CPUs, and Third Party Products equipped with a Profile "B" 
Futurebus.

This adapter is configurable as either a SAS or DAS option, and supports both 
Multi-Mode Fiber for up to 2KM between stations, and Single-Mode Fiber (SMF) 
for distances up to 40KM between stations.

CUSTOMER BENEFITS

o Extends FDDI connectivity to the DEC 4000 family of CPUs

o Provides enhanced reliability and availability via support for dual 
  homing, and an external 3rd party optical bypass relay - (DAS only)

o Provides the highest aggregate throughput, in excess of 100 Megabits/Sec, 
  when operated in Full-Duplex Mode.  Full-Duplex allows it to connect Point-
  to-Point with another Digital FDDI adapter (except DEFZA) or to Digital's 
  GigaSwitch, and operate without a token.  Operating without a token 
  eliminates the latencies associated with waiting for the token to transmit, 
  and allows simultaneous transmit and receive at aggregate data rates in 
  excess of 100 Megabits/Sec.



COMPETITIVE COMPARISON

As of this writing there are no other known suppliers for Futurebus to FDDI 
adapters.  The competition for this controller will be indirect at the system 
level, and will involve other I/O bus types.  

Digital's competitive strengths include:

o  A portfolio of high performance, high reliability FDDI controllers for 
   PCs, workstations, servers, and multi-user high-end systems (EISA, Q-bus, 
   TURBOchnl, XMI-Bus, and now Profile "B" Futurebus)

o  Full-Duplex mode to provide aggregate bandwidths in excess of 100 Megabits
   per Second

o  In combination with Digital's GigaSwitch, extends the range of FDDI 
   applications by supporting scaleable bandwidth, switched network technology

o  Complete solution vendor

o  FDDI technology leader

o  System integrator for multi-vendor networks

o  Worldwide network of support

CHANNELS STRATEGY

The DEC FDDIcontroller/FUTUREBUS+ will be sold by the Digital direct sales-
force, and can also be sold by Digital's Business Partners including: VARs, 
Developers, Distributors, Master Resellers, Integrators, and Technical OEMs.

PRICING/ORDERING INFORMATION

Model No. Description			Quantity    MLP	  Disc  OEM  BMC  Inst
--------- ----------------------------  --------  ------  ----  ---  ---  ----
* MMF Pre-Configured Options (w/MIC connectors):
DEFAA-AA  FBUS+ to FDDI Adptr SAS, MMF	   C2 	  $8,995    3    X   $46  $600
DEFAA-DA  FBUS+ to FDDI Adptr DAS, MMF     C2     $9,995    3	 X   $52  $600
* SMF Configurable Option:
DEFAA-YA  FBUS+ to FDDI Adapter wo/PMDs    C2     $8,295    3	 X   $40  $600

NOTE:	At least (1) DEFXS-AA must be ordered with each DEFAA-YA.  A maximum
	of (2) MODPMDs can be ordered with each -YA.  The MODPMDs associated
	with each DEFAA-YA must be listed immediately after the -YA on the 
	customers P.O..  The first MODPMD listed after the -YA will be 
	installed in the "B" port forming a SAS adapter.  The second MODPMD,
	if listed, will be installed in the "A" port forming a DAS adapter.

	(-YA) Supported MODPMDs 

		DEFXS-AA Single-Mode-Fiber (SMF) PMD 
		DEFXM-AA Multi-Mode Fiber  (MMF) PMD 

o Patch Cables are NOT included! (Listed for reference)

	BN24B-xx, MIC to MIC;		BN24D-xx, MIC to ST



o Optical Bypass Relay for use with MMF ONLY, is NOT available from Digital 
  (Listed for reference)

	AMP 501916-3 (w/6 pin Modular Jack Connector)

SERVICES

The normal portfolio of hardware, Operating System OpenVMS AXP and OSF/1 
service offerings are available.  For further information please contact your 
local Digital Services representative.

TECHNICAL DATA

Like it predecessors, the DEC FDDIcontroller/FUTUREBUS+ utilizes electrically
programmable FLASH ROM to hold its functional firmware and diagnostics.  In the 
event a need develops to update the adapter's on-board firmware, the ALPHA
LFU utility CDROM will be updated to include the new firmware.

CONFIGURATION INFORMATION

Hardware Requirements & Configuration Rules

o  DEC 4000, or DEC 7000/10000 equipped with the optional FBUS+ I/O backplane
o  One Futurebus Profile "B" Slot
o  Number of controllers supported per Digital System = 2

Software Requirements:

o  OpenVMS AXP V1.5 or later, or OSF/1 V1.3 or later

Configuration Restrictions:

o  OpenVMS - There is a statistical probability that when two CPUs are 
   connected point-to-point, and both CPUs are running VMS, that they 
   will NOT connect.  For this reason, this configuration is NOT supported 
   at this time.  This restriction will be removed with the next release 
   of OpenVMS.

RESOURCES

o  Internal

   FDDI Notes File, Including:

	DEFAA OpenVMS AXP V1.5 Start-Up Release Notes
	DEFAA OSF/1 V1.3 Start-Up Release Notes
	Pre-Requisite DEC 4000/7000/10000 HW, Console, etc. Rev/Ver
	DEC 4000 Console Edits to support FBUS+

o  External

   Contact George Nielsen

TRADEMARKS

	AMP 

1022.2DEC 7000/10000 Min HW Rev To Support FBUSDELNI::G_NIELSENFri Sep 17 1993 12:3426
  DEC 7000/10000
  ==============
	Description			Part#		Minimum Rev/Version
	------------------------------	--------------	-------------------	
	CPU                             E2040-AA        M06

	Memory
	        64MB                    E2043-AL	D01
	       128MB			E2043-BL	D01
	       256MB			E2043-CL	D01			
               512MB                    E2046-AA	D01

	IOP                             E2044-AA        F04

        Firmware

               Console and Palcode AVMS                 V2.4/V2.5
               Console and Palcode AOSF                 V2.4/V2.5

        DWLAA-AA
         Futurebus Backplane/Cardcage   BA653-AA        D01
         Flag Module                    B2003-AA        B01


    
1022.3DEC 4000 (610, 710, 720) Min HW Rev To Support FBUSDELNI::G_NIELSENFri Sep 17 1993 12:4339
  DEC 4000
  ========
  Single Processor
  ----------------
	Description			Part#		Minimum Rev/Version
	------------------------------	--------------	-------------------	
	CPU
		COBRA Model 610		B2001-BA	B02 (1/System)
		FANG  Model 710		B2012-AA	A01 (1/System)

	Memory
		64MB			B2002-CA	B01
	       128MB			B2002-DA	B01			

	I/O Module (1 per system)
		DSSI/SCSI I/O Module   	B2101-AA	H01 
		FAST SCSI I/O Module	B2101-BA	A01 

	Firmware					V3.2

  SMP
  ---
	Description			Part#		Minimum Rev/Version
	------------------------------	--------------	-------------------	
	CPU				
		COBRA Model 610		B2001-BA	B02 (2/System)
		FANG  Model 720		B2012-AA	A01 (2/System)

	Memory
		64MB			B2002-CA	C01
	       128MB			B2002-DA	C01

	I/O Module (1 per system)
		DSSI/SCSI I/O Module   	B2101-AA	H01 
		FAST SCSI I/O Module	B2101-BA	A01 

	Firmware					V3.2

1022.4MANDATORY DEC 4000 nvRAM Patch To Support FBUSDELNI::G_NIELSENFri Sep 17 1993 12:5828
When a Futurebus device attempts to use the last page in memory, it may
pre-fetch past the last page into non-existent memory, causing VMS to crash.   A
permanent fix in a future release will be to make the last page of memory
reserved to the console.

For this release, a work around is available that will reduce the number of
pages available by one.  To install this fix you need to edit two commands into
the NVRAM as follows:

>>>edit nvram
editing `nvram'
0 bytes read in
*1 set x `e -p -q 2940 | find 2`
*2 d -p -q 2940 `eval -x -ix $x 1 -`
*exit
64 bytes written out to nvram
>>>

You can verify the information by doing a "cat nvram".

>>>cat nvram
set x `e -p -q 2940 | find 2`
d -p -q 2940 `eval -x -ix $x 1 -`
>>>

Now when you reboot or init your console, the commands in NVRAM will execute
thus reducing the page count by one.

1022.5JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - Net Tech Support - 226-6815Fri Sep 17 1993 17:187
    It would be nice if we could have some description of the crash that is
    caused by this.
    
    I've run Cobra with FDDI and I don't think .0 has been done to the
    Cobra but I didn't have any crashes (that we not found to be the fault
    of something else which has since been fixed).  So I wonder when this
    happens etc...
1022.6NETRIX::thomasThe Code WarriorFri Sep 17 1993 18:351
I also wonder if it happens under OSF/1... but, so far, NETRIX hasn't seen it.
1022.7Configuring OSF/1 V1.3 to use DEFAADELNI::G_NIELSENThu Sep 23 1993 13:2159
INSTRUCTIONS FOR CONFIGURING DEFAA (FBUS-TO-FDDI ADAPTER) ON DEC OSF/1
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
(Revision 93Jun15)

Applicable DEC OSF/1 Versions:
OSF/1 T1.3-4  (Rev. 80.2) [Silver/Maintenance BL4].


1.  Add the following lines to /sys/conf/alpha/files:
    io/dec/netif/if_faa.c		optional faa device-driver Binary
    data/if_faa_data.c		optional faa Notbinary

2.  For DEC7000 systems,
    add the following lines to /sys/conf/<user's config file>:

    bus		fbus0	at iop0		vector fbuserror
    controller		faa0	at * vector faaintr
    controller		faa1	at * vector faaintr
    controller		faa2	at * vector faaintr
    controller		faa3	at * vector faaintr

    For DEC4000 systems,
    add the following lines to /sys/conf/<user's config file>:

    bus           fbus0   at ibus0        vector fbuserror
    controller            faa0    at * vector faaintr
    controller            faa1    at * vector faaintr
    controller            faa2    at * vector faaintr
    controller            faa3    at * vector faaintr

3.  Edit /etc/rc.config.
	(Note: This step is necessary because
	       netsetup does not yet support faa.)
    The following variables are relevant:
    NUM_NETCONFIG="1"
    NETDEV_0="faa0"
    NETDEV_1=
    IFCONFIG_0="16.140.32.130 netmask 255.255.255.0"
    IFCONFIG_1=

        NUM_NETCONFIG is the number of network devices.
    For each device, set  NETDEV_x and IFCONFIG_x appropriately,
    where x is the network device number.
    NETDEV_x is the device name.
    IFCONFIG_x is the value passed to the ifconfig command and
    should have at least the network address and netmask.

    Also in  /etc/rc.config,
    If your system uses routed or gated,
    set these variables as appropriate:
    ROUTED="yes"
    ROUTED_FLAGS="-q"
    ROUTER="no"
    GATED="no"
    GATED_FLAGS=

4.  Rebuild the kernel using standard procedures.
5.  Reboot the system with the new kernel using standard procedures.

1022.8Configuring OpenVMS AXP V1.5 to use DEFAADELNI::G_NIELSENThu Sep 23 1993 15:3818
OpenVMS AXP Version 1.5 supports a new FDDI LAN device that connects to
the Futurebus+, the DEFAA. The QIO interface to the DEFAA is the same as
as that described for the DEMFA in Chapter 6 of the VMS I/O User's Reference 
Manual: Part II, except that the device type of the DEFAA is DT$_FA_DEFAA
(56 decimal).

The DEFAA is supported by SYS$FADRIVER.  Its device name is;

        FAcu

where c is the controller and u is the unit number (for example, FAA0).

The NCP LINE and CIRCUIT name for the DEFAA controller is:

        FAA-<controller number>

(for example, FAA-0 for FAAn, FAA-1 for FABn).
    
1022.9NETRIX::thomasThe Code WarriorThu Sep 23 1993 16:441
For SSB V1.3 skip step 1 as the lines are already present.
1022.10Configuring OpenVMS to use Large PacketsDELNI::G_NIELSENFri Sep 24 1993 10:535
	To enable large packets on the FDDI adaters the SYSGEN parameter 
LRPSIZE should be set to 4530. On OpenVMS AXP 1.5 and OpenVMS VAX 6.0 this 
parameter goes away and a new parameter NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ controls the
maximum size of the packets. The proper value for NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ in those
cases would be 4468.
1022.11Announce and Availability DatesDELNI::G_NIELSENFri Sep 24 1993 14:484
    The DEFAA options will appear on the Price File and On-Line Sales
    Update on 4-OCT-93.
    
    There will be limited availability in OCT-93, with volume in NOV-93.
1022.12JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - Net Tech Support - 226-6815Tue Sep 28 1993 09:4416
    re: .10:
    
> 	To enable large packets on the FDDI adaters the SYSGEN parameter 
> LRPSIZE should be set to 4530. On OpenVMS AXP 1.5 and OpenVMS VAX 6.0 this 
> parameter goes away and a new parameter NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ controls the...
    
    Which protocols will these parameters effect?  
    
    DECnet PhaseIV will not use the larger packet size even if you set this
    parameter, right?
    
    TCP/IP will use the larger packet size even if this parameter is not set.
    
    You would not want LAT to ever use the larger packet size because then
    it would not get thru a 10/100 bridge and I don't know of any terminal
    servers that live on FDDI.
1022.13LAT is not just for terminal servers any more!ROYALT::RASPUZZIMichael Raspuzzi - LAT Engineering et alTue Sep 28 1993 17:4212
�    You would not want LAT to ever use the larger packet size because then
�    it would not get thru a 10/100 bridge and I don't know of any terminal
�    servers that live on FDDI.

What about SET HOST /LAT from VMS system to VMS system?  What if we added
the LAT transport for DECwindows and allowed SET DISPLAY/TRANSPORT=LAT from
VMS to VMS?  Then you might want large packet support.

Currently, LAT does not negotiate large packet support (yet) but it
is coming!

Mike
1022.14JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - Net Tech Support - 226-6815Wed Sep 29 1993 14:214
    Yea, yea.  I knew I would regret using LAT as an example.
    
    What about the other protocols?  Which ones are effected by this
    parameters.
1022.15Clusters and Larger Packet SizesDELNI::G_NIELSENMon Oct 04 1993 14:123
    FDDI connected clusters will benefit the most from the larger packet
    sizes.
    
1022.16DEC 7000 FBUS Slot RestrictionsDELNI::G_NIELSENMon Oct 04 1993 14:155
    Do not plug the DEFAA into Node "A"/Slot 10 of the DEC 7000 FBUS
    Backplane.  There is a known console bug that shows up during startup -
    DECnet hangs.
    
    This will be fixed in a future console release.
1022.17Statistical probability ?SUBURB::JASPERTTue Mar 08 1994 06:3317
    
                                                                  
   << Configuration Restrictions 
    
     o  OpenVMS - there is a statistical probability when two CPUs are
                  connected point-to-point, and both CPUs are running VMS, 
                  that they will not connect. For this reason, this 
                  configuration is not supported at this time.  This          
                  restriction will be removed with the next release of 
                  OpenVMS. >>
    
    What does this mean ? This is exactly what my customer wants to do,
    is there a workaround ?
    
    Tony Jasper, Partners Sales Support.                
                                                                         
                
1022.18KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, B-16504Wed Mar 09 1994 12:315
If you put a concentrator between the two, it will work.

Does anyone know the current status of this bugfix?

	paul
1022.19DEFAA on OSF/1 V2 on Cobra? What rev of DEFAA?JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - Net Tech Support - 226-6815Tue Apr 05 1994 17:5623
    Do you have to do anything special with DEC OSF/1 V2.0 or is all the
    right stuff in the operating system now?
    
    I installed OSF/1 V2 off the CD and ran netsetup and configured faa0
    and it was fine.  Or at least I thought it was.  I didn't do any big
    tests of it.  I just used telnet to log into the system over the net
    and it worked and so I went on to something else.
    
    But now I've come back and it has been rebooted and the faa0 didn't
    come up with the reboot.  It is configured, but it isn't working - the
    board didn't initialize - the phy light is not on.  So I did 
    
    	ifconfig faa0 down
    	ifconfig faa0 up
    
    and it came up and I can talk to it now.  But now I'm getting all these
    
    	faa0: Nothing on the command response queue.
    
    messages on the console whenever anything happens over the net.
    
    When the defaa initializes during startup, it reports firmware rev 0.4.
    Is this (part of) the problem??
1022.20JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - Net Tech Support - 226-6815Wed Apr 06 1994 12:3014
    Gee, I had the sollution to my problem already.
    
    Current DEFAA firmware seems to be V1.0b.
    
    It's on the firmware CD with all the other firmware.  What a great idea!
    
    I booted the CD with:
    
    	>>> boot -fl 0,a0 dke100
    	filename: [dec4000]cfw_v33_updp3.exe
    
    and eventually got a UPD> prompt and the list command showed me where
    the DEFAAs were and that they were running 0.4 and the update command
    updated them.  There is online help and there is documentation on the CD.
1022.21I thought I was all setJEDI::CAUDILLKelly - Net Tech Support - 226-6815Wed Apr 06 1994 14:0524
              <<< MAY11::MAY11_USER:[NOTES$LIBRARY]COBRA.NOTE;2 >>>
                                   -< Cobra >-
================================================================================
Note 206.0                   updating DEFAA firmware                  No replies
JEDI::CAUDILL "Kelly - Net Tech Support - 226-6815"  17 lines   6-APR-1994 13:05
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I'm trying to update the firmware two DEFAA (FDDI) adapters 
    in a DEC4000/610.
    
    The DEFAAs have V0.4 in them now.
    
    I've got the V2.7 firmware CD (ie the one with the V3.3 firmware)
    and I boot [dec4000]cfw_v33_updp3.exe and I updated the IO module just
    fine but when I try to update either of the DEFAAs, it says:
    
    
    		DO NOT ABORT!
    
    fbf0    Updateing to ... 
    
    and then sits there fore 5 or 10 minutes and then says FAILED.
    
    What does this mean???  What do I do now?
    
1022.22answer to reply # 21MAY21::HUTCHESONthe revolution will not be televisedFri Apr 08 1994 14:4223
    This reponse to reply #21 was orginally entered in MAY21::COBRA
    Note 206.1
    
    
    Note 206.1                   updating DEFAA firware                     
    1 of 1
    MAY21::HUTCHESON "the revolution will not be televi" 10 lines  
    8-APR-1994 13:34
                       -< Pass 2 DEFAA req'd for Update to 1.0 >-
    
        Since your DEFAA contains V0.4 firmware, it must be a pass 1 module
        with only 2 flash roms on it. The current hardware rev is pass 2
    with
        4 flash roms. This hardware rev, the only one supported by the
    update
        utility, would update from 0.8 to 1.0.
    
        In other words, your DEFAA is out of date and you need a pass 2
    version
        in order to update the firmware.
    
    
                                                   Susan Hutcheson
1022.23duuuuhhhhJEDI::CAUDILLKelly - Net Tech Support - 226-6815Sat Apr 09 1994 10:3919
              <<< MAY11::MAY11_USER:[NOTES$LIBRARY]COBRA.NOTE;2 >>>
                                   -< Cobra >-
================================================================================
Note 206.2                   updating DEFAA firware                       2 of 2
JEDI::CAUDILL "Kelly - Net Tech Support - 226-6815"  12 lines   9-APR-1994 09:38
            -< sometimes things go very smoothly - but mostly not >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Someone took my DEFAAs away and updated the firmware via the interface
    on the board.  Now they are V1.0.  We glanced at the boards as we were
    putting them back in and I *think* I recall seeing 4 flash roms.  
    
    We tried them again and got the same error message and less success and
    decided to give up and use ethernet until we can acquire production DEFAA 
    units.  But this morning, as I lay thinking I should be sleeping at
    6:00 am on a Saturday, I realized that we never connected the FDDI when
    we tested them the second time.  Have you ever had one of those lives?
    
    One appears to be working fine at the moment, but PATHWORKS is still
    using the ethernet so I won't say the testing is concluded.  Sigh.
1022.24Does the DEFAA-YA support a UTP copper PMD ?OURGNG::RIGGENJeff Riggen &quot;Sales Support&quot; I think ?Thu Jun 30 1994 13:0119
From the Sales Update: 
********************************************************************************
DEFAA-YA  FBUS+ to FDDI Adapter wo/PMDs    

NOTE:	At least (1) DEFXS-AA must be ordered with each DEFAA-YA.  A maximum
	of (2) MODPMDs can be ordered with each -YA.  The MODPMDs associated
	with each DEFAA-YA must be listed immediately after the -YA on the 
	customers P.O..  The first MODPMD listed after the -YA will be 
	installed in the "B" port forming a SAS adapter.  The second MODPMD,
	if listed, will be installed in the "A" port forming a DAS adapter.

	(-YA) Supported MODPMDs 

		DEFXS-AA Single-Mode-Fiber (SMF) PMD 
		DEFXM-AA Multi-Mode Fiber  (MMF) PMD
********************************************************************************
Has testing been completed on the DEFXU-AA PMD for a UYP Copper connection ?

Jeff
1022.25V1.0b or V1.1 firmware for DEFAACSC32::M_HERODOTUSMario at CXO3/B10 ColoradoSun May 26 1996 09:119
    
    I've heard of V1.0b and V1.1 firmware for the DEFAA controller. Do
    these really exist and can someone point me to them. The V3.5 firmware
    update CDROM contains V1.0
    
    Also can anyone tell me what difference the V1.0b and V1.1 firmware
    might make and what reasons there are for and against updating.
    
    Thanks, Mario