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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

1007.0. "Loading a X25router via DECnis and FDDI ?" by FRSCS::AURAND () Fri Jul 02 1993 04:38

    (cross-posted in X25PSI)
    
Hi everybody,

I have a short question about the X25router 2000 Software. A customer of us
can't downline load the X25router since his loadhost has a FDDI controller 
installed.
So, it would be nice if somwbody cann tell me, if the following configuration 
should work or if downline loading of the X25router software over FDDI is not 
supported.

   X25router				+------ FDDI --------+
      |				        |		     |
   ---------------- Ethernet ------- DECnis (v2.0)        VAX 7000
					|                    |
					+-----Backbone ------+

Many thanks for your help

	Andreas
				
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1007.1JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - NaC Tech Support - 264-3320Fri Jul 02 1993 10:2215
> can't downline load the X25router since his loadhost has a FDDI controller 
> installed.
    
    I don't see the connection?  I downline load from an FDDI controller on
    my VAX all the time.  No problem.
    
    In the configuration in .0, you might have a problem if the DECNIS were
    not set up for bridging.  If it is only routing, then you would need to
    set it up as a proxy load host for the X25router.  This is probably
    possible, I've done it with other DECNIS but not an X25router.  You
    should probably check in the NOTED::DECNIS conference.
    
    But, why not just set the DECNIS up for bridging?  Then the MOP
    requests are bridged from the Ethernet onto the FDDI and then the VAX
    can service them.  No problem.
1007.2more infoFRSCS::AURANDFri Jul 02 1993 10:5812
    >> I don't see the connection?  I downline load from an FDDI controller on
    >> my VAX all the time.  No problem.
    
    The customer don't have any problems with the downline loading his
    cluster satellites too (also the SNA Gatway works fine).
    
    The only problem occurs with the X25router. So it seems that the
    problem depends on the X25router software.
    
    Best regards
    
    	Andreas
1007.3JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - NaC Tech Support - 264-3320Fri Jul 02 1993 11:247
>     The only problem occurs with the X25router. So it seems that the
>     problem depends on the X25router software.
    
    The X25router just uses MOP to get loaded.  There must be something
    wrong in the NCP definition of the X25router that is preventing it from
    getting loaded.  Do they get the load requests at all?  Or do they
    start and then fail?  Or..???
1007.4More informationFRSCS::AURANDMon Jul 05 1993 10:2717
    Hi Kelly,
    
    the customer did a little bit more of testing with his X25router. He
    used a LAN analyzer and saw the following behaviour.
    
    The X25router sent a MOP Multicast Request to VAX and the VAX answers with
    a MOP message but instead of using the physical address (AA-00-04...)
    for the ethernet source address the VAX put his hardware address
    (08-00-2B...) in the ethernet frame.
    
    Maybe this is the cause of the problem ?
    
    	Best regards
    
    		Andreas
                                             
    	
1007.5JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - NaC Tech Support - 264-3320Tue Jul 06 1993 10:3820
>    The X25router sent a MOP Multicast Request to VAX and the VAX answers with
>    a MOP message but instead of using the physical address (AA-00-04...)
>    for the ethernet source address the VAX put his hardware address
>    (08-00-2B...) in the ethernet frame.
    
    That's not too suprising.  The FDDI adapter can send from either
    address.  It's up to the higher lay to specify. 
    
    Is the VAX running pure Phase IV or DECnet/OSI?  If it were Phase IV, I
    would expect it to have used the DECnet modified address, but (pure
    speculation here), there could always be a bug in MOP which does this
    over FDDI. 
    
    In any case, if other things can get loaded via this VAX's FDDI
    adapter, then the X25router 2000 should be able to too.
    
    Watching the analyzer, do you see the X25router responding to this
    response from the VAX?
    
    Do you get any events on the VAX?
1007.6KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Tue Jul 06 1993 10:575
The MOP spec calls for using the hardware address.  Then again, it doesn't
actually matter so long as things are done consistently.  So I'd expect the
problem to be somewhere else...

	paul
1007.7It seems to be not supportedFRSCS::AURANDThu Jul 08 1993 04:2616
    Hi everybody,
    
    I got the following reply from P.S.I. engineering:
    
    
            <<< WANLAD::DUA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY.PUBLIC]X25PSI.NOTE;1 >>>
                         -< Packet Switching Products >-
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Note 3148.1    Downline loading of X25router over FDDI + DECnis ?         1 of 1
MARVIN::SIMS "Andrew Sims, IPEG Reading."             4 lines   5-JUL-1993 10:03
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    It will not work and is not supported.  None of the Phase IV DEMSA
    products will load over FDDI.
    
    Andrew.
    
1007.8JEDI::CAUDILLKelly - NaC Tech Support - 264-3320Mon Jul 12 1993 20:075
    Well, I guess I shouldn't argue with an expert, but I would like to
    know why?  I mean, it's just MOP.  Why can't it work?
    
    Also, the SNA gateway you said is getting loaded fine, is it a DEMSA or
    a CT?