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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

977.0. "DECbridge520 MIB access ??" by TKOV51::AOKI_H (Hiromitsu AOKI, Network Team/SE, Japan DEC) Mon May 31 1993 22:26

<< Questions about DECbridge 520 MIB SetRequest !>>

POLYCENTER Network Manager & SNMP Manager include *SNMP*.
POLYCENTER Network Manager includes *RBMS*, too.

I would like to know the following two questions. It is not easy to find
out the answer, so if you know some crew, please reply.

1. Using SNMP SetRequest, what part of MIB info. is set(changed) ?
 
2. Is there any difference, in MIB, to be set by SNMP SetRequest
   and RBMS ?
   (Which part of MIB is set by SNMP but not be set by RBMS, 
    and vice versa ?)

Thank you very much in advance.

---Hiromitsu AOKI (NT/SE, Japan DEC)
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977.1QUIVER::WALTERTue Jun 01 1993 19:0229
    Not sure if I understand your questions, but I'll take a shot at it.
    
    >> 1. Using SNMP SetRequest, what part of MIB info. is set(changed) ?
    
    You must specify in the SNMP Set what MIB object you want to change,
    and it must be a writeable object. Further, not all products support
    all MIB objects. In the case of the DECbridge Series bridges, they
    support the following MIBs:
    
    	Mib-2
    	Bridge
    	FDDI
    	DEC
    
    >> 2. Is there any difference, in MIB, to be set by SNMP SetRequest
    >>    and RBMS ?
    
    In general, SNMP can manage all the bridge parameters that are known to
    RBMS, and some that RBMS doesn't know about. RBMS is no longer
    supported, so new features can only be accessed through SNMP (for
    example, the IPX switch "esysIPXSwitch"). There are just two
    significant exceptions to this rule that I know of: you can set the 
    bridge IP address with RBMS but not SNMP, and you can read the
    diagnostic block only with RBMS.
    
    So, in order to manage all bridge features, you must use SNMP. 
    
    Dave
    
977.2Which MIBs are settable ?TKOV51::AOKI_HHiromitsu AOKI, Network Team/SE, Japan DECTue Jun 01 1993 21:4740
*Thank you very much for quick responce.

>    >> 1. Using SNMP SetRequest, what part of MIB info. is set(changed) ?
    
>    You must specify in the SNMP Set what MIB object you want to change,
>    and it must be a writeable object. Further, not all products support
>    all MIB objects. In the case of the DECbridge Series bridges, they
>    support the following MIBs:
    
>    	Mib-2
>    	Bridge
>    	FDDI
>    	DEC
    
>    >> 2. Is there any difference, in MIB, to be set by SNMP SetRequest
>    >>    and RBMS ?
    
>    In general, SNMP can manage all the bridge parameters that are known to
>    RBMS, and some that RBMS doesn't know about. RBMS is no longer
>    supported, so new features can only be accessed through SNMP (for

*What does it mean that RBMS is no longer supported ? Phased out ?

>    example, the IPX switch "esysIPXSwitch"). There are just two
>    significant exceptions to this rule that I know of: you can set the 
>    bridge IP address with RBMS but not SNMP, and you can read the
>    diagnostic block only with RBMS.
    
>    So, in order to manage all bridge features, you must use SNMP. 

From those info., I could get concepts of difference between SNMP & RBMS.
Finally I'd like to know  the answer of original question:
   
        Which MIBs are able to be set(changeable) by SNMP, by RBMS,
        respectively ?

Thank you very much in advance.

---Hiromitsu

977.3QUIVER::WALTERWed Jun 02 1993 08:4748
    >> *What does it mean that RBMS is no longer supported ? Phased out ?
    
    RBMS is a protocol originally designed by DEC to manage their network
    products. I believe that at the time it was developed, there was no
    other widely accepted protocol. Since then, SNMP has become the defacto
    standard (in the US, anyway), and we must support SNMP for our products
    to be successful in the marketplace. We don't have sufficient resources
    to continually update RBMS code, so new features and new products
    simply aren't "known" to the old RBMS software. RBMS management
    stations can still be used on the older products, but new features in
    those products can't be accessed, and the latest network products will
    not respond to RBMS requests at all.
    
    >>         Which MIBs are able to be set(changeable) by SNMP, by RBMS,
    >>    respectively ?
    
    Well, I answered this question best I knew how. I think you need to do some
    reading on SNMP, to get a better understanding of the concept of a
    "MIB".  A MIB is a database abstraction used by SNMP to access data and
    functions within a managed object, such as a bridge. RBMS uses a
    different abstraction to get to the information, but ultimately they
    both access the same variables or functions. But you can't say that
    RBMS can set a MIB object because RBMS knows nothing about MIBs. The
    two protocols have different methods to get at the same information. 
    
    The SNMP protocol can access ANY object within a MIB, because that's
    what SNMP is designed to do. The more important question is, does the
    managed device SUPPORT the MIB object as it is defined in the standard?
    That all depends on the device. Concentrators don't support the Bridge
    MIB because there are no bridge functions within a Concentrator.
    
    I guess I don't know how else to explain this (anyone care to help?).
    If you want to do some reading, try "The Simple Book" by Marshall Rose.
    Or, you can refer to the relevant RFCs:
    
    	RFC 1155 - Structure and Identification of Management Information
    		   for TCP/IP-based Internets
    
    	RFC 1157 - A Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP)
    
    	RFC 1213 - Management Information Base for Network Management of
    		   TCP/IP-based Internets: MIB-II
    
    
    Hope that helped.
    
    Dave