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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

894.0. "SAS vs. DAS pros & cons ?" by PHDVAX::RICCIO (Help me Mr. Wizard!) Wed Mar 10 1993 16:29




   I'm currently working on an RFP that specifically states;

            "The platform will use Single Attached Station
             FDDI connections."

   Obviously not a problem. One of the competitors (SUN) is big
on Dual Attached Station FDDI, and will certainly try to influence
DAS. 
   Now for my questions. What makes SAS a better solution? Why do we (DEC)
do SAS? What makes DAS a "not so good" solution? You get the picture,
any ammunition would be helpful to re-enforce the customer that they had
the right idea by stating SAS, and that DAS should not even be considered.



                                      thanks, Phil...
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894.1KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Wed Mar 10 1993 17:2828
    I'm sure this has been discussed before, in various places.  But
    briefly: you need to distinguish the questions (1) should I use a tree
    of concentrators or hang my nodes on the dual ring, and (2) should I
    use SAS or DAS to connect to concentrators?
    These two are often mixed together, which doesn't help the debate at
    all.
    
    Re (1): a dual ring tolerates ONLY single faults.  Two faults creates a
    partitioned network.  So if you hook up things that are not under
    careful control -- such as workstations -- if any two are unplugged
    your network is mangled.  Conversely, a concentrator tree with
    workstations connected to the concentrators tolerates an arbitrary
    number of unplugged workstations.  Furthermore, depending on
    configuration it can tolerate multiple concentrator failures.
    Concentrators also fit well within the usual hierarchical wiring
    schemes, and they offer a place for network management observation and
    control.
    
    Re (2): assuming the above convinced you to go for concentrators...
    the SAS is the lowest cost connection to a concentrator.  A DAS offers
    a standby connection at additional cost.  It's quite rare for
    workstations to require a standby connection, since you're just
    protecting from concentrator failures and cable breaks, both of which
    are rare.  (Concentrators have very high MTBF.)  Note that you can get
    fault tolerance by installing two SAS adapters if you really need
    that, so even where you do want redundancy it doesn't force a DAS.
    
    	paul
894.2Thanks Paul!PHDVAX::RICCIOHelp me Mr. Wizard!Thu Mar 11 1993 09:501
    
894.3DAS vs SASQUIVER::WASHABAUGHBorn to be MildThu Mar 11 1993 10:167
I originally thought that most customers would see the wisdom of the 
SAS concentrator approach and buy SAS adapters.  However, early figures 
that I'm aware of show about a 50-50 split on SAS and DAS sales.  Seems
customers that have purchased so far are feel the per-port cost of DAS
is worth the potential headaches.

doug
894.4SYOMV::KRASI was UNIX when it was still coolThu Mar 11 1993 14:009
    I suspect the higher than expected DAS adapters is more a reflection of
    how FDDI is often being used; if you are using it to connect only a
    handful of stations, then DAS is probably easier because you don't need
    a concentrator, and all the machines are probably close together, so
    failures are easy to fix.
    
    When more companies have thier primary networks on FDDI, they will
    probably buy more concentrators and use SAS because the reliability
    becomes more critical.