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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

877.0. "What's unique in DEFTA, to get 96Mbs?" by ZPOVC::RAMARAJ () Fri Feb 26 1993 09:47

    How are we able to achieve 96Mbs with the turbochannel FDDI card DEFTA?
    We must be doing something VERY WELL at the card level, besides having
    good higher level protocols.
    
    What is it?  How do we explain this?
    
    Raj
    Singapore
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877.1NETRIX::thomasModerator from MarsFri Feb 26 1993 10:101
Fast well-designed card + very good protocol implementation + lots of CPU
877.2Not just the DEFTAJEDI::CAUDILLKelly - NaC Tech Support - 264-3320Sat Feb 27 1993 15:4812
    I haven't seen any of them, but there have been talks given about the
    design of the DEMFA, DEMNA, and DEFTA and probably other cards.  The
    point being that these cards are are designed to be able to go full
    speed.  As compared to the DEUNA and others which could not go full
    speed.
    
    The number you quote - 96Mbps - is from OSF/1 AXP.  Those are Matt's
    other two points: lots of CPU and good protocols.  OSF/1 has
    implemented the Window Scaling option of TCP.  This allows larger
    windows and therefore less time and packets wasted on acknowlegements. 
    The work to do this went into OSF/1 last fall.  Rumor has it that UCX
    has similar features and therefore performance these days.
877.3KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Mon Mar 01 1993 11:137
Not really "good protocols" -- but rather "good protocol implementations".
There's nothing special about TCP that makes it so fast.  If anything, with
TCP it requires extra work (window scaling extension).  You can get the same
performance with other transports if you use a comparably high quality
implementation.  (Well, perhaps not with SNA... :-) )

	paul
877.4DEFTA DocumentationWARNUT::FORSHAWJJon ForshawFri Apr 15 1994 05:3513
I have a customer using a DEFTA-FA in an Alpha AXP 3000 Model 600 and 
he has asked for some technical documentation regarding the card, and 
how to exploit it to its maximum potential, including tuning the 
system.

Can you point me in the direction of any documentation that describes 
this?  I suggested to him that there might be nothing he can do to the 
card, which he agreed might be so, but said he would still like to 
learn more about what it is doing, even if he can't change it.

Regards,

Jon.
877.5Give him the whitepapersSCHOOL::WASHABAUGHBorn to be MildTue Apr 19 1994 12:0411
In the whitepapers directory on ftp.digital.com there are two pertenent 
whitepapers, fddi-nics and something on TCP-IP and FDDI.

The fddi-nics.ps file is slanted towards the EISA NIC, and the TCP-IP/FDDI
whitepaper is slanted towards IP and UDP on OSF/1.

There is nothing that can be set on the card (including burst size) that will
improve the performance.  However, there are possibly things in the configuration
of the system that can make a difference.

doug
877.6Technical SpecificationWARNUT::FORSHAWJJon ForshawWed Apr 20 1994 07:4611
Thanks for the information.  I will pass the whitepapers on.  I have 
told the customer that nothing can be altered on the card and 
mentioned the performance talked about in this topic.  He has asked 
for simply some technical documentation/description/specification type 
information regarding the card.  Is there any such information that 
someone could point me to?


Regards,

Jon.
877.7there may be a few more papersMUDDY::WATERSWed Apr 20 1994 09:1310
    Digital should make the DEFTA/DEFEA/DEFpcimumble programmer's spec
    available to customers, to answer questions like this.
    But in reality, papers of a more tutorial nature may help the customer
    more than detailed specs.  I suppose there's no article on
    DEFTA/DEFEA/DEFpcimumble in the Digital Technical Journal; there is an
    article for DEMFA, but that's altogether different.

    Try sending mail to K. K. Ramakrishnan, erlang::Rama, who has co-authored
    some papers on FDDI adapters.  He would know where to find public papers
    that describe DEFTA.  Please post here what papers you find.