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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

823.0. "DECBridge1.2 error counters incr too much on Ethernet" by ZUR01::HOTZ (Gregor, CS, NaC Support, Schweiz) Wed Jan 06 1993 12:04

       The DECbridge 6xx V1.2 counts some receive and transmit errors
       TWICE. Is this known and solved in the upcoming V1.3 release?
       Also, sometimes the summary counter is incremented but none of
       the specific ones (no specific late collision counter?).

       When is 1.3 Firmware available?

       counters where taken with mcc 1.2.

 name lin yy-mm-dd time    | bfr     msfr of   fe     | tef    cl  cle le  cptf
.6410 L_3 92-10-18 13:16:13| 433     0    0    207    | 89     17  4   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-19 09:12:19| 433     0    0    207    | 89     17  4   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-19 13:11:33| 433     0    0    207    | 89     17  4   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-20 09:07:25| 433     0    0    207    | 91<-?  17  5   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-20 13:06:38| 433     0    0    207    | 91     17  5   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-21 09:02:07| 433     0    0    207    | 92<-?  17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-21 13:01:13| 433     0    0    207    | 92     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-22 08:56:46| 436<-?  0    1    208    | 93<-?  17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-22 12:55:53| 436     0    1    208    | 93     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-23 08:51:13| 436     0    1    208    | 93     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-23 12:50:19| 436     0    1    208    | 93     17  6   2   16  

 name lin yy-mm-dd time    | bfr     msfr of   fe     | tef    cl  cle le  cptf
.6410 L_3 92-10-24 08:45:22| 436     0    1    208    | 93     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-24 12:44:24| 438<-?  0    1    209    | 93     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-25 08:39:21| 438     0    1    209    | 93     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-25 12:38:22| 438     0    1    209    | 93     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-26 08:33:14| 441<-?  0    2    210    | 94<-?  17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-26 12:32:08| 441     0    2    210    | 94     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-27 08:26:44| 441     0    2    210    | 94     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-27 12:25:34| 441     0    2    210    | 94     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-28 08:19:59| 441     0    2    210    | 94     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-28 12:18:55| 445<-?  0    2    212    | 94     17  6   2   16  
.6410 L_3 92-10-29 08:13:13| 448<-?  0    3    212    | 95<-?  17  6   2   16  
                                                                      
       bfr = bad frames received (summary counter)
       msfr= multicast source frames received
       of  = oversize frames
       fe  = framing errors

       tef = transmit error frames (summary counter)
       cl  = carrier lost
       cle = collision limit exeeded
       le  = lenght error
       cptf= collision presence test failed
       greg= :-(
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823.11.3 FT tooZUR01::HOTZGregor, CS, NaC Support, SchweizThu Jan 21 1993 10:2718
       I got hold of 1.3 FT for the DB628. On port 2 I connected a
       HP4972 analyzer to send "bad" frames; no other stations.

       frame #1: 2000 Bytes, good FCS   Line counter:  bfr +1   of +1
             #2: 2000 Bytes, bad  FCS               :  bfr +2   of +1

       According to the ELMS and MCC manuals, bfr (bad frames received)
       counts CRC errors. Frame #1 has a good CRC.

       With frame #2, we get even 3 increments. But the frame has only 2
       errors. I would expect only of (oversized frame) to be
       incremented. bfr isn't an error summary counter, isn't it?

       Where can I QAR this? This makes our LANs look worse then they
       are and causes unnecessary problem calls.

       greg.

823.2Couldn't reproduce QUIVER::WALTERMon Jan 25 1993 18:4615
    Re: .1
    
    I tried the test outlined in reply .1 with a bridge running V1.3FT,
    and found that frame #1 (good FCS) was not counted in Bad Frames
    Received, and frame #2 (bad FCS) was counted once for each frame.
    So, I was not able to replicate the problem. 
    
    Re: .0
    
    I'm not sure if the errors add up the way you expect them to. I'll 
    look into it.
    
    Regards,
    Dave Walter
    
823.32000 byte frame not too long?ZUR01::HOTZGregor, CS, NaC Support, SchweizWed Jan 27 1993 05:0920
       The V1.3FT I got hold of has a date of 23-NOV-1992 16:57:41.00.
       Can I test a later version?

       How was frame #2 (TOO LONG + bad FCS) counted? It should be
       counted as frame too long, only, no matter whether it has a good
       or bad fcs or is misaligned, I think.

       From the counters in .0 I got the impression that bfr and
       tef were summary counters. But the manuals (elms, decmcc) don't
       say so.

       Btw, why is there no �remote failure to defere� (late collision)
       counter? I thought the LANCE chip does report it.

       ...and as a side remark, I think Bad is bad. There is a �Bad frames 
       Received� and a �Bad hello limit exeeded� counter. The 1st means,
       there was a frame with an invalid CRC received, the 2nd means,
       Hellos came in from the wrong direction but the CRC was valid.

       regards, greg.