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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

626.0. "FDDI Encryption Equipment Available?" by SCHOOL::LEKAS (From the Workstation of Tony Lekas) Thu Jun 25 1992 12:27

I am looking for FDDI encryption equipment.  We have potential VAXcluster
Multi-Datacenter Facility customers that have a policy requiring any data
going off site to be encrypted.

If there is anything available from any vendor please let me know.  If there
is a project in progress within Digital let me know who the product manager is.

We have one customer who would probably be willing to start with MDF now if they
knew encryption was comming.


		tony
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626.1KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Thu Jun 25 1992 12:576
There was a project at one time to do this (a chip called FCP, FDDI Crypto
Processor).  I believe a fair amount of work was done, but it was put
on hold before completion.  The driving person was Amar Gupta; I don't
remember the others.  And Amar doesn't seem to be at DEC anymore...

	paul
626.2Contacts: latest NI & FDDI cryptographic hardwareMUDDY::WATERSThu Jun 25 1992 13:4498
Subj:	DECcrypto - High Performance, Low Cost End-to-End Encryption

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To: Distribution			Date: November 19, 1991
					From: Dan Frommer
					      Pini Lozowick
					      Nik Bahram
					Enet: ZENDIA::FROMMER
					      JEREMY::PINI
					      ASIC::NBAHRAM


  Subject: DECcrypto - High Performance, Low Cost End-to-End Encryption


DECcrypto, an integrated part of DSSA (Distributed Systems Security
Architecture), is a family of advanced security products that provide secure
channels across networks and in distributed systems.

The products utilize a unique division of functionality between a dedicated
hardware cryptographic engine and software residing in the host. The software
performs authentication, access control and key management; the hardware
provides the cryptographic services at line speeds by processing packets as
they are transferred to the network. A high performance, low cost solution is
provided.

Software functions are implemented with transparency to applications at the
transport layer of TCP/IP or OSI. An option to implement security at the
datalink layer (for LAT or SCA) exists as well. Two optional hardware
"cryptographic engines" provide security either on an Ethernet or an FDDI
interface. The engine for Ethernet may reside in an external box to provide
support for existing hosts, or may be integrated into new systems for an even
lower-cost solution. The engine for FDDI resides in the FDDI corner. Transfer
cost for the external Ethernet box version will be on the order of $250. 
Transfer costs for the FDDI engine and for the integrated Ethernet engine will
be under $100.

DECcrypto V1.0, currently being developed by the Secure Systems Group, will
provide transparent end-to-end protection for TCP/IP applications running on
ULTRIX/OSF Ethernet hosts. Future versions may be implemented on other
operating systems, protocol stacks and hardware platforms.

The program includes several engineering activities being implemented by the
following groups:

  o DECcrypto V1.0 software: SSG and SCO (Jerusalem Design Center)

    DECcrypto V1.0 is scheduled to be ready for internal field test with an 
    external Ethernet crypto box in Q2FY93.

  o Tandu, cryptographic chip for Ethernet: SCO (Jerusalem Design Center)

    The Tandu chip is the core of the external Ethernet crypto box or 
    integrated engine. The Tandu is scheduled to be manufactured by 
    December 1991. First samples availability is expected in March 1992.

  o FCP, FDDI Cryptographic Processor: SCO (ESTG Design & Advanced Development)
   
    The FCP is scheduled for prototype manufacturing in late January 1992.
    First sample availability is expected in March 1992.

Due to funding constraints, no commitments for productization have been made
and DECcrypto is currently being developed as an A/D effort. We strongly
encourage feedback on any related issue, specifically:

  o Do you see a need and a market for end-to-end (transport or network
    layer) encryption? If so, do you prefer true end-to-end encryption over
    LAN-to-LAN encryption?

  o How would you prioritize the needs in terms of hardware and software
    platforms? 

  o What is the price sensitivity of the DECcrypto solution?

  o Assuming a very low cost, is there need to support multiple clients
    on a single Ethernet crypto box?

  o Would you use a non-DES "exportable" encryption algorithm?

Your response and comments would be highly appreciated. Detailed information
and specifications can be obtained from the following:

  o DECcrypto V1.0 software:
    Dan Frommer, ZENDIA::FROMMER

  o Tandu Ethernet encryption chip:
    Pini Lozowick, JEREMY::PINI

  o FCP FDDI Crypto Processor:
    Nik Bahram, ASIC::NBAHRAM

Please note that the specifications are export restricted and can only be made
available to persons within the United States.
626.3JEREMY::DANDan FrommerSun Jun 28 1992 03:5511
You might want to contact Nik Bahram (asic::nbahram), the FCP project leader,
to get the latest FCP project status.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no plans to build an FDDI adapter board 
that includes the FCP nor write the required software to incorporate encryption
into SCA. The Secure Systems Group had plans to support the FCP but this would
probably have been for TCP/IP or OSI rather than SCA. These plans have been
cancelled recently. The only effort that's still going on is an A/D project to
support TCP/IP encryption for Ethernet on OSF using the Tandu chip.

Dan
626.4just snap some chips together, and presto...MUDDY::WATERSSun Jun 28 1992 23:3515
    Fwiw, the problem stated in .0 doesn't require DES-capable FDDI
    adapter options, nor software support in SCA.  A customer is satisfied
    with his "local" LAN security, but he insists that data flowing
    between the lobes of a Multi Datacenter Facility VAXcluster be
    encrypted.  For this simple application, you "just" need to hack up
    some MAC-equipped FDDI "relay" box, such as a GIGAswitch line card,
    to add the FCP chip and rudimentary control software.

    Since FDDI concentrators don't have a MAC chip for each port, that
    may not be the right equipment to upgrade with link-level encryption.

    Other FDDI "relay" boxes that could be hacked up for link-level
    encryption might be a brand-X 2-port FDDI bridge, or our brand, the
    DECnis 600 (#?).  Then, there are some "2-port" FDDI-to-DS3 boxes
    coming to market--right?--but those are limited to 50 Mbit/s?
626.5DATALOCK ?LARVAE::HARVEYBaldly going into the unknown...Fri Jul 03 1992 10:4214
    I'm a little sketchy on the details and suitability just yet but have been 
    told that there is a software product called DATALOCK by JPY Associates UK.
  
    There may be some restrictions in respect of MDFs and HBVS2 in the way that 
    MSCP servers are encrypted.
  
    Can I suggest you contact Andy Beale @ UCG (the Crescent Basingstoke UK) as 
    he has been looking into this from his general Security viewpoint. 
  
    If I find out more I'll post in here.
  
    Regards
  
    Rog
626.6KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Mon Jul 06 1992 12:295
Actually, if software encryption is good enough, VAX Encryption is a 
possibility.  (Then again, if so then FDDI datarates aren't an issue!  You
can't encrypt that fast in software...)

	paul
626.7announcing Engineering Office of Field SecurityMUDDY::WATERSTue May 18 1993 14:4044
    If you're searching for the organization responsible for delivering
    secure computer products to our non-government customers, try this
    new Engineering Office of Field Security Programs.

From:	PATEL::MAHENDRA "MAHENDRA PATEL, SYSTEMS ENGINEERING  18-May-1993 1122"
	Please distribute this widely throughout your respective
	organizations.
Regards,
Mahendra Patel/Dennis Roberson
5/18/93
________________________________________________________________________________

         ***********************************************************
         *	         THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS FROM	           *
         *	      DENNIS ROBERSON AND MAHENDRA PATEL           *
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	 The physical and logical security of computing systems is of 
 	 increasing concern to the market as distributed computing takes 
	 root in commercial, enterprise scale solutions.  In order to 
	 ensure efficient and skilled Engineering support in this domain 
	 for our Field organizations we are moving the Engineering Security 
	 Services Center from The Software Group managed by Orsen Niederhauser 
	 and Dennis Roberson to Mahendra Patel's Systems Engineering group.  
	 The group will continue to be directly managed by Dave Hamilton 
	 who will now report to John Shebell, Technical Director of the 
	 Engineering Office of Field Programs.  The group's name will change 
	 to The Engineering Office of Field Security Programs as part of 
	 the organizational alignment.

	 This cadre of domain experts will provide direct consulting via
	 our Professional Services organization, and training, interface,
	 and coordination between the Field and Engineering communities
	 at large within this discipline.  They join the Engineering Office 
	 of Field Environmental Support, managed by Steve Zabinski, as part 
	 of a growing set of focussed, technology-intensive consulting 
	 groups whose goal is to increase the competitive mobilization of 
	 Engineering on behalf of the Corporation's overall system integration
	 strategies and capabilities.

	 Please join me in welcoming Dave and his group to our organization.
	 A summary of fiscal year 1994 operations and organization will
	 be available on or about July 1, 1993.