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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

604.0. "Does this configuration look right?" by KYOA::KOCH (It never hurts to ask...) Thu Jun 11 1992 15:36

	I have created a configuration where I will be using 2 strands of
    fiber to link 2 sites which are 10 miles apart using single mode fiber.
    Since the fiber is point-to-point with no diverse routing of the fiber,
    we are only using 2 strands. The customer has 6 strands left out of 24
    and they want to use the minimum number of strands. As per a previous
    note, this is allowed created a tree/leaf configuration. Accordingly, I
    am quoting the following items:
    
    Concentrator
    Site A
    ------------				____________
    | DEFCN-AC |				| DEFCN-AC |
    ------------				------------
    | DEFCN-CA |<-Port A Laser <> M port Laser->| DEFCN-FA |
    ------------				------------
    | DEFCN-NA |				| DEFCN-DA | (for MGMT only)
    ------------				------------
    	 |					| DEFCN-NA |
    	 |					------------
    	 |					     |
    	 | BN24B-10 (1 ONLY?)			     | BN24B-10 (1 ONLY?)
    	 |					     |
    ------------				------------
    | DEFEB-TA |				| DEFEB-TA |
    ------------				------------
    
    
    
             MODEL NUMBER               
	QTY  AND DESCRIPTION            
       -------------------------------
        2  DEFCN-AC                   
           Configurable FDDI Con Box -  
    
        1  DEFCN-DA                  
           FDDI DECconcentrator 500     
           Remote Network Management    
           Module with FDDI A/B ports   
           ANSI Optics on Port A and    
           Laser Optics on Port B       
    
        1  DEFCN-CA                  
           FDDI DECconcentrator 500     
           Remote Network Management    
           Module with FDDI A/B ports   
           Laser Optics on Port A and   
           ANSI Optics on Port B        

        1  DEFCN-FA                  
           FDDI DECconcentrator 500     
           4-port module                
           2 ANSI compliant multi mode  
           fiber optic connections and  
           2 laser based single mode    

        2  DEFCN-NA                  
           FDDI DECconcentrator 500     
           4-port module                
           ANSI compliant optics        

        2  DEFEB-TA                  
           DECbridge 610 US Model       
           FDDI to Ethernet/802.3       
           Local area network bridge    
           One SAS FDDI port with       
           Multi-mode optics            
    
        2  BN24B cables
    
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604.1cost savings suggestionsLEVERS::S_JACOBSLive Free and ProsperFri Jun 12 1992 16:2822
    It appears that you have bought more single-mode interfaces than you
    need.  The concentrator on the right has single-mode on the -FA port
    card and on the -DA A/B card.  You could run the single-mode fiber pair
    between the A port on the left concentrator and the B port on the right
    concentrator.  That would eliminate the need for the single-mode port
    card on the right concentrator.  Alternately, you could run the 
    single-mode fiber pair as shown (A to M) and eliminate the -DA card 
    altogether or buy the DAS ANSI version of the A/B card and save some $.
    
    	Also, when connecting a DAS (A/B) station to a SAS (M) station
    (this is considered a "dual-homing" configuration), the  DAS station
    will preferentially connect via the B port.  If someone were to connect
    the B port of the left concentrator to some other M port, the -CA card
    would break the single-mode connection.  If you really want to connect
    to the right concentrator via an M port, buy a -DA card for the
    concentrator on the left.  That will put the single-mode optics on the
    B port.
    
    	The bridges need only a single cable (fiber pair) to attach to the
    concentrator, however there must be MIC connectors on both ends.  I
    don't know what a BN24B cable has for connectors.  Lots of the cables
    we have in the lab have MIC on one end and ST on the other.
604.2How does this look?KYOA::KOCHIt never hurts to ask...Fri Jun 12 1992 17:2279
	I've made some changes. I'd like to go with a tree and connect the
    B-port to the M-port. As my diagram show, the DEFCN-CA on the right is
    for out-of-band management purposes only. That's why it's there. I had
    the correct cards, but didn't put them in the right place. The -DA card
    is now on the left and the -CA card is now on the right. As note 530.4
    and you both suggested, B-laser to M-port-laser.
    
    The BN24B is the FDDI-to-FDDI cable. Is this the MIC cable? I have also
    changed it by deleting DEFCN-NA on the right and attaching the
    DECbridge (DEFEB-TA) to one of the DEFCN-FA M-ports.
    
    This leaves me with 3 MM-ports on the left. On the right, I have 1
    Laser-M-port & 1 MM-port available.
    
    I'm also purchasing the DECMCC Director and the ELM AM for in-band
    management.
    
    Thanks for all your help.
    
    
    Concentrator				Concentrator
    Site A					Site B
    ------------				____________
    | DEFCN-AC |				| DEFCN-AC |
    ------------				------------
    | DEFCN-DA |<-Port B Laser <> M port Laser->| DEFCN-FA | -MModeport----
    ------------				------------              |
    | DEFCN-NA |				| DEFCN-CA | (MGMT only)  |
    ------------				------------              |
       	 | BN24B-10 (1 only)			     ----------------------
    	 |					     | 
    	 |					     | BN24B-10 (1 only)
    ------------				------------
    | DEFEB-TA |				| DEFEB-TA |
    ------------				------------
    
    
    
             MODEL NUMBER               
	QTY  AND DESCRIPTION            
       -------------------------------
        2  DEFCN-AC                   
           Configurable FDDI Con Box -  
    
        1  DEFCN-DA                  
           FDDI DECconcentrator 500     
           Remote Network Management    
           Module with FDDI A/B ports   
           ANSI Optics on Port A and    
           Laser Optics on Port B       
    
        1  DEFCN-CA                  
           FDDI DECconcentrator 500     
           Remote Network Management    
           Module with FDDI A/B ports   
           Laser Optics on Port A and   
           ANSI Optics on Port B        

        1  DEFCN-FA                  
           FDDI DECconcentrator 500     
           4-port module                
           2 ANSI compliant multi mode  
           fiber optic connections and  
           2 laser based single mode    

        1  DEFCN-NA                  
           FDDI DECconcentrator 500     
           4-port module                
           ANSI compliant optics        

        2  DEFEB-TA                  
           DECbridge 610 US Model       
           FDDI to Ethernet/802.3       
           Local area network bridge    
           One SAS FDDI port with       
           Multi-mode optics            
    
        2  BN24B-10 cables
    
604.3KYOA::KOCHIt never hurts to ask...Tue Jun 16 1992 20:201
    Can anyone comment on .2?
604.4too late?LEVERS::S_JACOBSLive Free and ProsperMon Jun 22 1992 11:0210
    Sorry for the delay, I was on vacation.  You are still recommending
    that the Site B concentrator have a laser port on its A/B card.  That
    seems like an unnecessary expense to me.  
    
    I found some BN24B cables in the lab which are MIC to MIC, so that
    looks OK.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve
604.5two commentsBAGELS::LEVYWed Jun 24 1992 16:266
I agree with Steve's comments on the DEFCN-CA. A DEFCN-MB will provide the same
MNGMT functionality at a lower cost. However, the -CA offers a backup single-
mode connection if the -FA card fails.

Note that the DEFCN at site B is the root CON of this tree; if you want the
root at site A, swap the DEFCNs.