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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

578.0. "How many stations on a ring" by FROCKY::WILTRUD () Wed May 20 1992 10:31

    Hello
    
    would it be possible to connect 20 Workstations to a FDDI network and
    10 of this workstations would each send 10 Mbit/s data to the other 10
    workstation. Can the ring really handle this 100 Mbit/s? Or is the
    efficienc of the FDDI ring in such a configuration only 90 %? I think
    the interesting value is the response time. ARe the queues of the 10
    sending workstations increase infinity? 
    
    Our customer wants to know, how many stations can be connected to the
    FDDI ring if this stations permanently send data. (of course it depends
    how fast they are)
    
    Thanks for any comments
    
    Wiltrud7
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578.1KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Wed May 20 1992 10:4910
The efficiency of FDDI (or for that matter, any other network) is always
less than 100%.  So you definitely cannot get exactly 10 times 10 Mb/s
through the network.

However, efficiencies well above 90% are common.  You should get a copy
of Raj Jain's paper on TTRT; it gives formulas and graphs of efficiency
as a function of TTRT and network size, and explains clearly why it works
that way.

	paul
578.2Performance and Guideline paper????BRAT::BUKOWSKIWed May 20 1992 13:587
    Do you know where there is a good copy of Raj Jain's TTRT paper.  The
    only one I found was FILES::NET$ARCH:[papers]FDDI_PERF.PS;1, and it
    is not legible through CDA viewer.  If you try printing it the print
    defaults to approximately 2 inches on each page (obviously impossible
    to read).
    
    Mike
578.3KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Wed May 20 1992 15:323
Strange.  Ask Raj (ERLANG::JAIN).

	paul
578.420 Bridges on the FDDI ringHGSW32::KKHAUKK Hau @HGOThu Dec 23 1993 05:1924
	Thanks for the above information. I still have question on the Bridge
	If I take the configuration like example 2 on .1, both bridges connect
	FDDI to ethernet 1,2,3,4. Spanning tree starts and turns one bridge go
	to backup mode. But if I put 20 DEChub900 on the FDDI ring, does it
	means that all 20 bridges come to coverge all together. Then, how long
	will these bridges start working when failover starts. The customer 
	was quite concern about the failover time. He does not want the change
	over takes minutes. 
	
	I have to talk more about the case. The customer is going to connect 
	2000 PC running TCP and UDP protocol. He is not allow to fail on the 
	network during business hours since this is a stock exchange site. We
	must make sure that the change over during failure will only be some 
	seconds. In the stock exchange environment, the broker will not wait
	more than 3 seconds of no response from host. The DECbridge 900MX will
	form a FDDI ring by chaining each thru A,B port. The host will be 
	connected to two standalone modules of DECbridge 900MX by AUI ports.
	
	re: .6 Can U give me the mail address of productt manager Jan Brechlin
	so that I can ask him about some figures. We need these figures for 
	preparing the tender to the customer.

	regards
	KK Hau
578.5KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, B-16504Thu Dec 23 1993 12:099
Each bridge discovers separately whether it should be in backup or in forwarding
mode on each port.  So it takes the SAME amount of time with 20 as it does 
with just 2.  (This is very different from, say, DECnet Phase IV routing,
which takes longer to converge (in certain cases) as the number of routers
increases.)

Jane Brechlin (not "Jan") -- her address is DELNI::BRECHLIN.

	paul
578.6wrong posting notes replyHGSW32::KKHAUKK Hau @HGOTue Dec 28 1993 20:475
Sorry for wrong posting reply here, it should be hub_managemet notes.

regards

KK
578.7how many fddi connects to ring?MSBCS::HURLEYWed Oct 09 1996 10:062
578.8A maximum of 500 stations...NETCAD::BATTERSBYWed Oct 09 1996 10:291