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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

566.0. "Load balancing/failover between FDDI/Ethernet LAT link" by MDCRAB::STUART (Scott Stuart - MARVA Network Sales Support DTN 341-3132 - MARVA District) Tue May 12 1992 15:56

It seems that I can set up multiple LAT connections over 
an Ethernet and FDDI.  What I want to do is to set up one
as the prefered choice and the other as a backup.

The situation is a VAX 6xxx connected to an FDDI ring via
an XMI controller and also to an Ethernet that is bridged
to the ring.  If I set up the same LAT service on both
links (FDDI & Ethernet) is ther a way to make one the 
perferred service so the other is only used if one fails.

If yes, how?

If no, what will happen if I turn both on? 

Which will be used by a station (terminal server)
 attached to the Ethernet?

By a station bridged to the ring over a separate Ethernet?

The DECnet circuits are set up to have different costs
so that the FDDI will be used whenever it is available.
The customer wants the same capability with LAT.


thanks for your help ... scott
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566.1Query over support of dual LAT links.....LARVAE::HARVEYBaldly going into the unknown...Wed May 13 1992 04:2125
      Scott
    
      Please see my earlier note 561 re: some of the LAT problems we've seen on 
      a recent FDDI installation (for an MDF cluster).
    
      My understanding from UK Country/Product Support is that using LAT over 
      two controllers onto the same extended LAN is not supported due to the 
      way LAT works (or is written)....  We also discussed the idea of a LAT 
      failover situation and apparently it doesn't work. I think the first LAT 
      circuit address defined to the system is "remembered" so if it goes away 
      the second circuit can't/wont be seen anyway, or at least not properly. 
      (Steve Woodward may be able to expand here - he did the "research". I'll 
      give him a nudge to add his findings here).
    
      Our MDF customer tried running LAT over both adapters for a short while - 
      with no problems seen I might add. However, until I get an answer as to 
      whether this configuration is supported I have asked him to set the 
      system to use the FDDI device only. This latter configuration cleared up 
      the problems we were experiencing and described in note 561.
    
      Looking forward to seeing some other answers to your queries.
    
      Regards
    
      Rog
566.2Hot from my Product support contactsLARVAE::HARVEYBaldly going into the unknown...Wed May 13 1992 12:4425
      Scott
    
      I've just spoken with a contact about the LAT over multiple adapters 
      issue...
    
      I'm told that a while ago LAT did have this functionality to failover  
      between multiple adapters which worked quite well. However, more recent 
      version(s) of LAT have somehow affected this capability so that it 
      doesn't work as well. You can run LAT over multiple adapters but there is 
      now no "hot failover" capability.
    
      Also, LAT running over multiple adapters on the same LAN is officially 
      NOT supported. (It is OK over separate LANs).
    
      However, it is not as serious as I initially understood to change the 
      LAT service between adapters. ie. Stop LAT, re-define the LAT$DEVICE to 
      the "new" adapter and restart LAT again - not a reboot as I had been led 
      to believe.
    
      A future release is intended to regain the functionality lost in the 
      recent versions - timescales/version numbers unknown at present.
    
      Hope this helps
    
      Rog
566.3...STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Thu May 14 1992 10:2029
    
    	I have put in a note to my favorite LAT engineers to spell
    out for us exactly whats what right now... I have a couple
    suggestions:
    
    	1) This is probably better addressed in a LAT/LATMASTER note
    	   conference,.. but I don't have a pointer. (thats one of
    	   the things I asked for)
    
    	2) There is sufficient confusion given the information is
    	   LAT and possibly VMS version dependent. I think the
    	   answers to these questions really will take the form
    	   of a truth table,.. where certain combinations can support
    	   and others can not.
    
    	So,.. with all due respect, I'd like to get the straight scoop,..
    from product engineering. Unfortunately, the Engineer is on vacation
    	this week,.. but I hope to have something in here next week.
    	I know that doesn't help you now (sorry),.. and I'm not sure
    	how much experimentation you want to do, or are able to do.
    	If its a customer thats already hot,.. don't antagonize by 
    	experimenting too much until we get an idea of exactly which
    	combinations "ought" to work...
    
    
    	On the other hand, if this is pre-sales activity,...
    
    							/Bill
    
566.4Related conference at NOTED::LATSTAR::PARRIS_ 13,26,42,96... What comes next?Thu May 14 1992 10:520
566.5MDCRAB::STUARTScott Stuart - MARVA Network Sales Support DTN 341-3132 - MARVA DistrictMon May 18 1992 13:464
thanks for the response.  I have cross-posted in 
noted::lat  #4137.0

		... scott