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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

530.0. "Trying to use fiber as a BIG pipe for all traffic?" by KYOA::KOCH (It never hurts to ask...) Tue Apr 07 1992 15:59

    I have a customer who has two sites linked via fiber. Due to
    circumstances, they only have 6 fibers available. In they put in an
    FDDI ring between the sites, they will need 4 fibers. However, they
    also want to support other traffic over these fibers. If they purchase
    some kind (???) of device which will pump more than 100Mbits through
    this fiber, what are their options for FDDI connections? Are there any
    products on the market which will provide an FDDI pipe to our
    concentrators and other bandwith to other devices? Or is the only
    alternative a DS3 connection (multiple maybe?)?
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530.1Clarification and optionsLARVAE::HARVEYBaldly going into the unknown...Wed Apr 08 1992 04:5425
    
      If your customer only has 6 fibres between the sites I assume you mean 
      they will use 4 of them in order to make an FDDI "ring". However, this 
      sounds like it would be a "ring in a single pipe", so any damage to this 
      cabling would likely result in a double break in the FDDI ring and thus 
      segmentation of the FDDI system. 
    
      Installing in this fashion does not really enable FDDI to offer its fault 
      tolerance capabilities, ie. the ability to continue operation after 
      sustaining damage to a cable run between ring "stations" or a failure to 
      such a ring station etc.
    
      Would it help if you simply linked say, 2 concentrators together between 
      the two sites via 2 cores of the fibre cabling ? This would provide FDDI 
      access in each site but with no ring "resilience"....
    
      I have not heard of anything which would "multiplex" FDDI along with 
      something else down a common cable and would be interested to hear 
      whether the standards allow for such ideas and if anyone is doing it.
    
      In the end you "pays your money and ....... "
    
      ttfn
    
      Rog
530.2WHat about WDM?POLAR::HOFFEWed Apr 08 1992 12:5211
    Is the fiber all multimode? There is a concept called "wavelength
    division multiplexing" which allows two(or more) different wavelengths
    to be combined onto a fiber,propagated and then each wavelength split
    off to its own optical receiver. Such devices are more common for
    singlemode. 
    WDM would allow independent traffic on the same fiber,but it has
    problems of its own. FOr example,if the second wavelength is in the 850
    nm region,fiber attenuation will be higher. I'd be happy to discuss the
    concept with you.
    
    Ron
530.3KYOA::KOCHIt never hurts to ask...Wed Apr 08 1992 15:524
    This is a 20+ mile installation, thus single-mode fiber.
    
    Also, is it legal to connect 2 DECconcentrators with only 2 fibers?
    Will the concentrator complain about this in any way?
530.4KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Wed Apr 08 1992 18:4411
    Sure it's legal.  There are two ways to do it:
    
    1. (Recommended) Connect M port at one site to B port of the other. 
       This is the "Tree" configuration.
    
    2. (Legal but not recommended) Connect A port of one concentrator to B
       port of the other.  This is equivalent to the dual ring with a
      broken connection (in this case, the "break" is simply the
       non-installed connection) which gives you a wrapped ring.
    
    	paul
530.5KYOA::KOCHIt never hurts to ask...Tue Nov 17 1992 12:537
    A little follow-up on this.
    
    The customer called DECdirect and was told that they could connect both
    sites together by putting a 2x2 SMF/MMF card in the DECconcentrator 500
    at both sites and simply hook the SMF M-ports together using 2 fibers. 
    
    Is this a legal configuration?
530.6QUIVER::STEFANIYou guys had enough? Never!Tue Nov 17 1992 16:534
    M-M connections are illegal in FDDI ring topology and will be rejected
    by the concentrators.
    
       - Larry
530.7Please refresh the rules for me...KYOA::KOCHIt never hurts to ask...Wed Nov 18 1992 12:1721
    So, in order to create trees, every lower concentrator that connects to an
    M-port on an upper concentrator must have an A/B management card in it?
    
    
    		----------
    		|A	B|
    		----------
    		|M M M M |
    		----------
    		 ^
    		 |
    		 |
    		 v
                ----------
    		|A	B|
    		----------
    		|M M M M |
    		----------
    
    If I don't want to dual home the configuration, what do I do with B
    port on the lower concentrator?
530.8KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, A-13683Wed Nov 18 1992 15:137
Normally a single connection is to B, not A, though it doesn't really matter.

In any case, if you don't want to use dual homing, you leave the other port
unused.  Don't plug in a loopback connector, just leave it disconnected.
(You may want to plug in a dust cover, of course.)

	paul