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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

469.0. "Changing addresses on a DEMFA" by COMICS::WOODWARD (Smile!) Tue Feb 04 1992 12:19

Hello world,

Can anyone tell me if it is possible to do the following (I don't have a DEMFA
I could try it on);

VMS 5.4-3, LatMaster. VAX 6xxx. DEMFA.

I want to assign a LAT link to the DEMFA (and get an FXAn device), with
state=off, and then change the address that channel is using (ie change the
FXAn alias address) ?

Thanks,

Steve
    
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469.1yesSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Tue Feb 04 1992 13:184
    Should work as advertised
    
    							/Bill
    
469.2What am I doing wrong ???COMICS::WOODWARDSmile!Mon Feb 10 1992 07:51199
We've tried it, but the address doesn't show as changed. Below is the SDA
output and the code used (in macro). Can anyone see what we're doing wrong as
the QIO returns without error but the physical address stays the same.

Thanks for any ideas,

Steve


$ mcr latcp sho link lat$link

Link Name:    LAT$LINK                Datalink Address:     08-00-2B-24-FC-FD
Device Name:  _FXA109:                DECnet Address:       Enabled          
Link State:   Off

$ latadr2:==$fred:latadr2
$ latadr2 fxa109:
$ mcr latcp show link lat$link

Link Name:    LAT$LINK                Datalink Address:     08-00-2B-24-FC-FD
Device Name:  _FXA109:                DECnet Address:       Enabled          
Link State:   Off

$ anal/sys
SDA> sho lan/full/dev=fxa109

LAN Data Structures
-------------------
             -- LAN Information Summary  9-FEB-1992 11:19:53 --

LAN flags:  0002 LAN_init

LAN module version                 1    First SVAPTE                92B4A88C
LAN address                 80984BA0    Number of PTEs                     4
Number of stations                 4    SVA of pages                80314600
First LSB address           8098E0E0                                        


    Press RETURN for more.
SDA> 
LAN Data Structures
-------------------
          -- LAN CSMACD Network Management  9-FEB-1992 11:19:53 --

Creation time                   None    Times created                      0
Deletion time                   None    Times deleted                      0
Module EAB                  00000000    Latest EIB                  00000000
Port EAB                    00000000                                        
Station EAB                 00000000                                        

           -- LAN FDDI Network Management  9-FEB-1992 11:19:53 --

Creation time                   None    Times created                      0
Deletion time                   None    Times deleted                      0
Module EAB                  00000000    Latest EIB                  00000000
Port EAB                    00000000                                        
Station EAB                 00000000                                        
Link EAB                    00000000                                        
PHY port EAB                00000000                                        

    Press RETURN for more.
SDA> 
LAN Data Structures
-------------------
       -- FXA109 60-04 (LAT) Unit Information  9-FEB-1992 11:20:09 --

LSB address                 8098E0E0    VCIB address                00000000
Packet format               Ethernet    Error count                        0
Device buffer size              1500    LAN medium                      FDDI
Maximum buffer size             4470    Eth protocol type              60-04
Hardware buffer quota             32    802E protocol ID      00-00-00-60-04
Receive buffer quota            1504    802.2 SAP                         00
Allow prom client                 ON    802.2 Group SAPs         00,00,00,00
Promiscuous mode                 OFF    Maximum header size               24
802.2 service                    OFF    Hardware address   08-00-2B-24-FC-FD
Data chaining                    OFF    Physical address   08-00-2B-24-FC-FD
Padding mode                     OFF    Can change address               OFF
Automatic restart                 ON    Access mode                EXCLUSIVE
CRC generation mode               ON    Controller mode               NORMAL
Maintenance state                 ON    Rcv buffs to queue                 1
P2 parameters               00734395    Starter's PID               00050045
All multicast mode               OFF    Creator's PID               0001002D
Rcv buffer quota                1504    LSB size                        4650

    Press RETURN for more.
SDA> 
LAN Data Structures
-------------------
     -- FXA109 60-04 (LAT) Counters & Misc Info  9-FEB-1992 11:20:09 --

Last receive                    None    Last transmit         9-FEB 10:59:44
Octets received                    0    Octets sent                        0
PDUs received                      0    PDUs sent                          3
Mcast octets received              0    Mcast octets sent                  0
Mcast PDUs received                0    Mcast PDUs sent                    0
Unavail user buffer                0    Last start attempt    9-FEB 11:18:26
Last start done       9-FEB 11:18:26    Last start failed               None
                                        Share UCB total quota              0

Receive IRP queue       809D6F74  Status:  Valid, empty
Shared users queue      809D6F64  Status:  Valid, empty
Receive pending queue   809D6F6C  Status:  Valid, empty

    Press RETURN for more.
SDA> 
LAN Data Structures
-------------------
    -- FXA109 60-04 (LAT) Multicast Address Info  9-FEB-1992 11:20:09 --

Multicast address table, embedded:
  09-00-2B-00-00-0F
  09-00-2B-02-01-04
  09-00-2B-02-01-07

SDA> exit
$ mcr latcp sho link lat$link

Link Name:    LAT$LINK                Datalink Address:     08-00-2B-24-FC-FD
Device Name:  _FXA109:                DECnet Address:       Enabled          
Link State:   Off

$ 

...and here is the code...

	.title	latadr
	.ident		/1.0-1/
	.library	/sys$library:lib.mlb/
	.library	/sys$library:starlet.mlb/

	$ssdef
	$iodef
	$nmadef

	.macro	check_status	?l1
	blbs	r0,'l1'
	pushl	r0
	calls	#1,g^lib$stop
	'l1':
	.endm	check_status

	.psect	$data	noexe,rd,wrt

iosb:	.quad	0
chan:	.word	0

buf_len = 32
device:	.long	buf_len
	.address 10$
10$:	.blkb	buf_len

funblk:	 .word	<nma$c_pcli_pha>		; function
	 .word	2				; length
	 .word	<nma$c_linmc_sdf>		; modifier

newaddr: .long 	<.-funblk>			; size of function block
	 .address funblk

	.psect	$code	exe,rd,nowrt

	.entry	latadr ^m<>

	pushaq	device
	pushl	#0
	pushaq	device
	calls	#3,g^lib$get_foreign
	check_status

	$cmkrnl_s	routin=lat_kernel
	ret


	.entry	lat_kernel	^m<r2,r3,r4,r5>

	movab	g^lib$sig_to_ret,(fp)

	$assign_s	-
		devnam=device,-
		chan=chan
	check_status

	$qiow_s		-
		chan=chan,-
		func=#<io$_setchar!io$m_ctrl>,-
		iosb=iosb,-
		p2=#newaddr
	check_status
	movw	iosb,r0
	check_status

	$dassgn_s	-
		chan=chan
	check_status

	movl	#ss$_normal,r0
	ret

	.end	latadr

469.3nothing.. it just works that wayKONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DMon Feb 10 1992 11:4812
    DEMFA doesn't have just a single physical address.  Instead it keeps
    the individual address on a per-channel basis.  The hardware address it
    the default individual address; you can pick a different one for your
    channel, but that does NOT affect the individual addresses used by any
    other channel.  This eliminates the issues with starting protocols in
    the wrong order...
    
    Note that you cannot change the hardware address, therefore the default
    individual address is also fixed.  This is a feature/side effect of the
    multiple alias capability.
    
    	paul
469.4but...but...butKERNEL::WOODWARDSmile!Mon Feb 10 1992 12:1916
  >  Note that you cannot change the hardware address, therefore the default
  >  individual address is also fixed.  This is a feature/side effect of the
  >  multiple alias capability.
    
    The alias address can be changed when a channel is opened (decnet does
    it) but what I need to be able to do is change that address AFTER the
    channel has been opened, because I don't know until LAT starts up what
    device number it will use. The code in -.1 attempts to do this. It
    completes without any error but LATs address remains unchanged. The
    only reason for choosing the decnet address is because that keeps
    things simple (or so I thought :-} )
    
    Has anyone done this ? Is it a _legal_ thing to do ?   

    Steve
                                        
469.5KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DTue Feb 11 1992 12:4510
Oh, now I see.

No, you can't do that, for the same reason that you can't change the physical
address on an Ethernet device after other protocols have started.  Protocols
expect their station address not to be changed out from under them!

Apart from that, why would you want to do this?  I don't see what possible
purpose it could serve.

	paul
469.6...19584::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Tue Feb 11 1992 16:052
    LAT spoofing?
    
469.7it's all above boardKERNEL::WOODWARDSmile!Tue Feb 11 1992 17:3124
    Its a real need, honest :-)
    
    Due to a large customer (with 6000 and 9000 systems) being extremely
    concerned about system/application availability they want to put
    multiple controllers (both fddi and ethernet) into their systems -
    especially the 9000). They would very much like automatic failover from
    one controller to another when the controller or link fails. 
    
    Lat can't cope (at present) with multiple controllers active and
    connected to the same LAN. One ethernet this is no problem as we
    simply delete one lat link and create another, using the /decnet switch
    all the time to keep the address consistent (if the address changes
    this causes the rest of the lat world some problems).
    
    BUT, on FDDI the /decnet swicth does not set the aa-00-etc address AND
    there seems no easy way of telling lat to use a particluar alias. This
    means that, unless I can find another way of doing things, the failover
    of lat from one controller to another must wait _at_least_5_minutes_
    (default values) for the rest of the LAT world to timeout the original
    address that system was using in order to relearn the new address.
    
    (If anyone's got a simple solution I'd love to hear it.)
    
    Steve
469.8Start with the LAT guySTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Wed Feb 12 1992 15:198
    I suggest you contact Mike (TOOK::)Raspuzzi to discuss whether
    what you wnat to do is possible. Once he understands whet you
    want, and if its possible, he can help you. If he needs anything
    in the way of support for changes in the Ethernet/FDDi device
    drivers,. he knows to contact us.
    
    							/Bill
    
469.9close down ....BUNTY::WOODWARDSmile!Thu Feb 20 1992 12:4310
Just to close this topic down properly. 

The ability to change LATs address from whatever it sets should be avilable 
as of vms v5.5-1 (but I can't test this at present) and definitely is _not_
possible before this version of VMS. This is a restriction in LAT, rather than
driver/controller level.

(obviously "should be available" doesn't mean it's quotable as fact ;-)

Steve