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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

424.0. "Unexplained Ring Initialization mesages" by JAYJAY::KORNS () Tue Dec 17 1991 11:26

Attached is a message from a customer with an unexplained FDDI behavior. A
picture of this LAN is provided as well as the DECelms map. Can anyone
shed light on this behavior?

Dave,

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

         .-----------------------------SMF------------------------------.
         |                                                              |
         |  +-----------+  +-----------+  +-----------+  +-----------+  |
         `--| DRC_DC500 |--| JHW_DC500 |--| SHB_DC500 |--|SHB_DC500_2|--'
            +-----+-----+  +-----+-----+  +-----------+  +-----------+ 
                  |                           /  \        
            +-----+-----+                    /    \
            | DRC_DB500 |                   /      \
            +-----------+                  /        \
                                          /          \
                                   +-----------+  +-----------+
                                   | OCS_DC500 |  | CSB_DB500 |
                                   +-----+-----+  +-----------+
                                         |                     
                                   +-----+-----+               
                                   | OCS_DB500 |               
                                   +-----------+
               
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                  
Legend: A) DRC, JHW, SHB, OCS & CSB are building codes

        B) xxx_DC500 is DECconcentrator 500 
           xxx_DB500 is DECbridge 500

	C) All links are multimode except the long line from DRC
	   to SHB which is single mode fiber

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From:	DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Danny Sheaffer - (512) 463-3324" 10-DEC-1991 11:50:32.10
To:	buddie::korns
CC:	
Subj:	fddi problem

Dave

We've been experiencing a problem(?) with the FDDI ring and we're wondering
if you could shed some light on the situation.  I've contacted Colorado but
they don't have much experience with FDDI - just like us.

One of our DECbridge 500's, OCS_DB500, is reporting ring initialization
messages.  We had 14 such messages on 9-DEC.  No ring initialization initiated
or ring beacon initiated counters were incremented on any of the stations.  

<<< output of SHOW COUNTER commands confirming this available on request >>>.

The DECconcentrator 500 which the bridge is connected to, OCS_DC500, did
experience 8 ring purge errors.  I understand from the Digital Technical
Journal on FDDI that ring purging is a Digital specific feature.

We are wondering what occurs when a ring ping error is encountered.  Is this a
cause for concern?  Also, why does only one station report a ring initialization
message in the ELMS logfile?  Any information you can provide would be
appreciated.

Danny

FYI - I've included the map and two snapshots of the counters.

FDDI Ring Map   	as of   10-DEC-1991 11:37:51
Name DRC_DC500                                      Address 08-00-2B-24-FE-62

              .___.                  .___.         P - Primary Ring
Concentrator: |___|         Station: |___|         S - Secondary Ring
               /|\

Attachments:  trunk   .___.     b __.___.      a  .___.      s   .___.
                    ==|___|         |___|       __|___|        --|___|
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ring             Station            Station Name    Station ID
:S ^ P            Icon              Station Type    MAC Address (MAC#)
v  |                                Active (concentrator) ports

:  |  .___.
:  +==|___|                         DRC_DC500    ID=00-00-08-00-2B-24-FE-62
:  |   /|\                           4-port 1-mac DAC     08-00-2B-24-FE-62
:  |                                Active: 3
        | .___. 1  
        +-|___|                     DRC_DB500    ID=00-00-08-00-2B-1D-BE-FA
                                    SAS                   08-00-2B-1D-BE-FA
:  |  .___.
:  +==|___|                         JHW_DC500    ID=00-00-08-00-2B-1E-47-C9
:  |   /|\                           4-port 1-mac DAC     08-00-2B-1E-47-C9
:  |                                Active: 
:  |  .___.
:  +==|___|                         SHB_DC500_1  ID=00-00-08-00-2B-24-FE-5C
:  |   /|\                           4-port 1-mac DAC     08-00-2B-24-FE-5C
:  |                                Active: 3, 4
        |_.___. 1  
          |___|                     OCS_DC500    ID=00-00-08-00-2B-23-3B-8E
           /|\                       4-port 1-mac DAC     08-00-2B-23-3B-8E
                                    Active: 3
            | .___. 2  
            +-|___|                 OCS_DB500    ID=00-00-08-00-2B-1D-7A-88
                                    SAS                   08-00-2B-1D-7A-88
        | .___. 1  
        +-|___|                     CSB_DB500    ID=00-00-08-00-2B-16-FE-71
                                    SAS                   08-00-2B-16-FE-71
:  |  .___.
:  +==|___|                         SHB_DC500_2  ID=00-00-08-00-2B-1E-1E-5A
:  |                                1-mac DAS             08-00-2B-1E-1E-5A
 
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424.1KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DTue Dec 17 1991 16:5414
I'd like to see all the counters; the description is confusing since it
says that the bridge is reporting ring initialization, but none of the
stations are.  Since a bridge is a station, that's inconsistent.

A possible reason is a marginal link; the link error counters could
confirm that.  Link errors could cause token loss (hence reinitialization)
and also purger error (due to loss of Void frames).

Note also that station insertion causes a ring reinitialization.

Incidentally, occasional purger error is not a big deal.  Same goes for
occasional ring initialization.

	paul
424.2Additional informationJAYJAY::KORNSFri Dec 20 1991 11:1112
Two additional pieces of information, if they help ...

1) I asked about your point that a "Bridge" saw RIs but no "stations" saw
   them ... turns out that the "bridge" in quetion reported "RIs" through
   DECelms messages, but no "station" "Ring Initialization Initiated" 
   counters were incremented anywhere.

2) I'll send the counters as Email which confirm.

Thanks Paul,

   
424.3LEM errors on all station in the same ring.TKTVFS::IDONaoki Ido, CSC/TOKYO, EWB, DTN 680-2456Fri Dec 20 1991 12:327
You should look at "LEM reject" or "LEM error" in Physical Port Counter for
all of stations on the ring. If you have otehr vendor, you can use SHOW SIF 
OPERA command for the vendor and see LEM errors.
I have ever seen same problem when customer was using non-dec MIC connector.

Hope this helps you,
naoki