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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

416.0. "Enet and FDDI attach to same?" by AUNTB::DAVISST () Wed Dec 11 1991 16:01

    Customer plans to connect 3 VAX 6000 systems in a cluster top both FDDI
    (Concentrator) and Ethernet.  The Ethernet segment is connected to
    Bridge that is connected to same Concentrator.  OK?
    
    I plan to tell customer (from implications in n/w buyer's guide) that a
    DECbridge 600 also bridges between the 3 Enet segments.  True?
    
    Customer want to install XMI FDDI adapter and connect to Concentrator
    BEFORE upgrading VMS to version that supports controller (I assume they
    are up against an install deadline).  Is this OK and will other FDDI
    devices (bridges and concentrator) work OK with the inactive controller
    connected?  Will 6000s boot OK with controller installed but not
    recognized as a valid device?
    
    Thanks.
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416.1RUNAWY::DENISE::CARRThu Dec 12 1991 15:1332
>>Customer plans to connect 3 VAX 6000 systems in a cluster top both FDDI
>>(Concentrator) and Ethernet.  The Ethernet segment is connected to
>>Bridge that is connected to same Concentrator.  OK?
  
OK
  
>>I plan to tell customer (from implications in n/w buyer's guide) that a
>>DECbridge 600 also bridges between the 3 Enet segments.  True?
  
Yes , a DECbridge 600 can bridge 3 Ethernet segments to FDDI.  Are you
proposing that the customer use a DECbridge 600 in this config ?  How
do you plan to configure it ?
 
  
>>Customer want to install XMI FDDI adapter and connect to Concentrator
>>BEFORE upgrading VMS to version that supports controller (I assume they
>>are up against an install deadline).  Is this OK and will other FDDI
>>devices (bridges and concentrator) work OK with the inactive controller
>>connected?  

I wouldn't recommend installing the adapter without upgrading.  The VMS
release that supports the DEMFA is available now, why not install it ?


>>Will 6000s boot OK with controller installed but not
>>recognized as a valid device?

Where are the 6000s booting from ?  Is there also a CI connection ?
I believe VAX 6000s can't boot over FDDI or Ethernet.
   
  
 
416.2KONING::KONINGPaul Koning, NI1DMon Dec 16 1991 11:1510
One thing to watch out for with this configuration is DECnet limitations.
DECnet does not allow more than one controller per node connected to the
same extended LAN.  It does't matter whether the connnections are Ethernet,
FDDI, or some mix.  This is because of the addresses that DECnet uses.

You can use multiple controllers without any problem so long as you take
care to have DECnet use only one.  Other protocols can use all of the
controllers (assuming they handle that, as LAVC and LAT do now).

	paul
416.3thanks and answers to ?sAUNTB::DAVISSTTue Dec 17 1991 09:4511
    Thanks for help in .1 and .2 -- I will inform customer.
    
    The 6000s are CI based and boot from disk on HSC.  The two DECbridge
    600s will connect to Concentrator with each serving 3 Ethernets.  The 3
    6000s will connect to same Concentrator.
    
    I have added another note from same customer regarding protocols
    supported by FDDI.  Please feel free to check the note further down in
    Conference.
    
    Thanks.
416.4Please note correct model numbersQUIVER::POULINTue Dec 17 1991 11:1320
    
    
    Just a note to clarify model numbers.
    
    The DECbridge 600 is three Ethernet Ports (NO FDDI).
    
    The DECbridge 610 is three Ethernet Ports and one SAS FDDI Port.
    
    The DECbridge 620 is three Ethernet Ports and one DAS FDDI Port.
    
    There are updrade paths for these models.
    
    There are also variations on the 610 and 620 models, depending on
    ANSI versus Single Mode FDDI support in various combinations. Please
    consult your configurations guide for more details.
    
    John Poulin
    
    
    
416.5...STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Tue Dec 17 1991 17:3410
    Do not install the DEMFA (DEC FDDI Controller 400) until you have
    upgraded to the version of VMS (V5.4-3 or later) that supports it.
    
    During field test, some of the sites tried this and got crash dumps
    and useless systems until they pulled the DEMFAs. The problem was never
    investigated, so I can't say what it was, or what versions are afected.
    But to be safe, just don't do it.
    
    							/Bill